Karl Marx was a Satanist and only Communism is the true freedom

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The wagey (slave worker for wage) could never understand why Communism. Wagey has more wealth, but ironically not much free time to enjoy that wealth. Wealth is defined by use value, use value requires time, wagey actually doesnt have much wealth. By sacrificing free time, wagey loses both wealth time and family time, and gains nothing until he is too old for anything.

Wagey (person who works a lot for wage) has trouble getting enough sleep. Its really simple math. 10 hours of job and 8 hours of sleep leave only 6 hours of free time, which is then further reduced by necessary daily activities and rest from all work.

Being a wage slave is the dumbest choice one can possibly make. Its literally better to be homeless. Take it by mere numbers there. Average wagey only has 15% to 20% of his adult life as free time, unless he deducts from sleep which many do. And thats assuming he has no family of his own.

As Karl Marx has said, Capitalism does indeed exploit the worker.

In fact, the framework of Capitalism is:
More work time = more wealth, less free time

People praise Capitalism for getting some people out of poverty while failing to understand that Capitalism caused an entirely different kind of poverty. A poverty where people sacrifice their spiritual growth and freedom for material wealth.

In this sense, Capitalism is the prediction of greatest of ancient philosophers which came true: time when material wealth consumes the souls and minds of people.

The choice of reduction in free time (ability to do as you choose) is in itself a self contradictive choice.

The choice to replace grasslands and forests with factories, buildings and roads, and the choice to replace healthy food with processed food, just shows what Capitalism leads to.

Only Communism is the true freedom now, because Communism gives less wealth and much more free time.

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"Studies have shown that leisure time—free time not related to work or chores—is important for our health and happiness. The average American has about 5 hours of leisure time a day."

So average American only lives 20% of his life then. The actual life expectancy in USA is less than 20 years.
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Is it freedom that you want? 
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More free time is usually better.
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More free time is usually better.
You are a perfect candidate for the unemployed with all the free time you desire.

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You appear to have a lot of free time. Are you living under Communism currently?
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You appear to have a lot of free time. Are you living under Communism currently?
He said he lives on his parents chicken farm.
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You appear to have a lot of free time. Are you living under Communism currently?
I do own means of production and I am not wagey either.
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You are a perfect candidate for the unemployed with all the free time you desire
Some work is good, but not very much.

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Some work is good, but not very much.
You said work= money. What is wrong with more money?
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You said work= money. What is wrong with more money?
Less free time to enjoy it.

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I do own means of production and I am not wagey either.
Ah, so that makes you a capitalist then. Ironic…

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Ah, so that makes you a capitalist then. Ironic…
I dont employ any workers other than myself.
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I dont employ any workers other than myself.
That is why you have less free time .
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That is why you have less free time .
Cant afford workers too. I didnt inherit 400 million dollars from my dad now.
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I dont employ any workers other than myself.
That makes you a self-employed capitalist.

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That makes you a self-employed capitalist
Some self employed Capitalists work for 8 hours a day now. So I am still a lot different than them. Since worker owns means of production, thats Communism.
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Some self employed Capitalists work for 8 hours a day now. So I am still a lot different than them.
That makes no difference.

Since worker owns means of production, thats Communism.
This means that Communism can exist as a microcosm under a capitalist economic system. I agree.

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That makes no difference
Sure it does now. I have more free time there. Thats the point. Did you read first post in this thread? Wagey worker in USA has almost no free time and has average life expectancy less than 20 years.

This means that Communism can exist as a microcosm under a capitalist economic system. I agree.
Not just exist, but be much more preferable.
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Sure it does now. I have more free time there. Thats the point. Did you read first post in this thread? Wagey worker in USA has almost no free time and has average life expectancy less than 20 years.
No, your hours worked makes no substantive difference regarding which economic system you are working within. Yes, I read your OP, and you make as much sense as you usually do. You attempt to rebrand self-employment as Communist because “the worker owns the means of production” and you work less hours than a capitalist would. Less hours worked is an alleged result of Communism, which is quite distinct from being a defining trait of Communism that you make it out to be. In reality, self-employment is capitalistic because the owner of the means of production isn’t the state, and the private owner (ie you) keeps the profits, if any.

Even if self-employment were an example of Communism in action, it would be an example of how Communism can exist as a legal microcosm within capitalism. Under Communism, capitalism only exists as an illegal microcosm known as the black market.

Communism (ie “communes”) can legally exist within capitalism-> more liberty
Capitalism cannot legally exist within Communism-> less liberty

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self-employment is capitalistic because the owner of the means of production isn’t the state
Really? You think in Communism, state actually owns means of production? Yikes.

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In theory, “society” owns the means of production under communism. In practice, the state owns the means on behalf of society.
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In theory, “society” owns the means of production under communism. In practice, the state owns the means on behalf of society.
The practice you are talking about is not Communism. Workers coops? Now thats more like my definition of Communism. Even tho I belong more to the nature type of Communism. I am not stupid enough to think that all worker coops are actually good. In fact, if worker coop pollutes nature, there is nothing even good about that.
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Workers coops? Now thats more like my definition of Communism.
Right. See my reference to communes in my post 20. If this is your only issue with my post 20, then you are doing well.

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See my reference to communes in my post 20
Yeah, you say they exist in Capitalism now and that they are better than the rest of the system now.
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Yeah, you say they exist in Capitalism now
Correct

and that they are better than the rest of the system now.
Incorrect, unless this somehow translates to “living in a commune in a capitalist nation is better than living in a communist nation.”
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Yeah, you say they exist in Capitalism now

Correct

and that they are better than the rest of the system now.

Incorrect
So I am correct 50% of the time then.


unless this somehow translates to “living in a commune in a capitalist nation is better than living in a communist nation.”
But you admitted workers have more free time in a commune:

"You attempt to rebrand self-employment as Communist because “the worker owns the means of production” and you work less hours than a capitalist would."
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But you admitted workers have more free time in a commune:

"You attempt to rebrand self-employment as Communist because “the worker owns the means of production” and you work less hours than a capitalist would."
No, I was simply restating your own spurious claims.
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No, I was simply restating your own spurious claims.
My claim is true. You can see how much free time I got now.

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Back to post 20… or maybe post 7