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@Casey_Risk
Do you believe Earth’s claim? If so, why? If not, why not?

I am leaning towards believing it. The claim fits very well with the role, and it’s not the typical type of claim we are used to seeing with mafia who fake claim. I’d say I’m leaning towards it being legit, but my view may be tainted by Mikal’s pressure on him, and I feel like Mikal is being very opportunistic. Earth was lynched in Russian mafia too and was innocent there but I’m starting to see that he can tend to not make the best cases for himself and I think someone might take advantage of that behavior with earth.
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@Lunatic
They can use this role at night to control a players vote during the following day phase. They can use it anonymously. 

1) But will it show up on the Vote Count? Like if my vote was controlled, would it show up? And is it a pick one person and leave the vote there?

B) Can they save that and if so can they use it during MYLO/LYLO?
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@Casey_Risk
Issue I have with this is that if you are being pressured and don’t want to claim your actual character or role. Going for something out of left field usually is what sticks out. It’s very obscure and you sure as hell are not worried about a cc 

Could have used a fake claim but I really doubt it. I don’t think Luna gives that shitty of a fake claim. I’ve seen him do claims for 10 years and they are very hard to pick out as fake. 

Character could be a fake claim , and maybe he came up with the role? It’s weird he immediately pointed out this has been used recently. Almost like trying to justify it being a good claim. Kinda feels like maybe mafia or him looked up roles from previous games. 

Maybe he made up both. God knows what shows are in this game based on this split. I have thoughts based on my character and his does stick out a bit comparatively . But I have not seen others to compare and can validate that thought as the game progresses. 

The main problem is like I mentioned above. If there are cop altering roles. God father, lawyer, bus driver, redirector, whatever all the possible roles are. That he is not confirmable. Nothing we do will validate him. He can’t be tracked. Can’t be watched. Can’t have that role last game where a pm Is given to someone. As scum, dude can just sit there until he needs to kill and coast. 

Doesn’t mean he is scum but just pointing out the issue with that claim. It’s so obscure and it was given as the first claim of the game 

Past the role or character. His behavior is just inherently scummy. I really really wana iso him 

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@Mikal
Earth prior to anna because I think he is more likely to fuck up a claim. 
Why do you think that?
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Speak for yourself. I got it wrong already 
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@ILikePie5
That was like a day ago bro, I just had a gut reaction to that. Casey long redeemed herself.
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@ILikePie5
1) But will it show up on the Vote Count? Like if my vote was controlled, would it show up? And is it a pick one person and leave the vote there?
It would show up on the vote count.

And they could use the vote however they wish for the rest of the day phase. They basically would be in control of that persons vote.

B) Can they save that and if so can they use it during MYLO/LYLO?
It could be saved, and the game wouldn’t go to lylo since I would account for the vote, assuming they did indeed have it.
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@Casey_Risk
Okay, now #215 does make me raise my eyebrows. I don't think I've ever seen Earth act this genuinely offended before as town.
I disagree. He has. He literally self voted before. This is honestly more in line with his town play
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Tbf you have posted very little since then.  I’m not obligated to change a read on you and yes I have locked in on that specific point because of when it happened and how opportunistic it was. I know your reasoning for why you said you did it, also does not mean I believe you 

Suggesting a path for town to take and then immediately must doing it without getting feedback about the thought really pings me as farming cred. 

It’s very hard to shake that. Not saying that will not change. Just nothing you have did this far has made me change that 

I’ve moved the needle with whiteflame so I will move it when I see things that warrant it. 

But because I’m reading you as scum, you are going full omgus and that is semi sussy as well on top of the prior read. 
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Idk if I should’ve said that but whatever
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Official Vote Count:

Mharman- 1/6- Whiteflame
Austin- 1/6- savant
Earth- 1/6- Mikal
Moozer- 3/6- Mharman, Wylted, Banana

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Inactives or lack of content is always an easy push. As mafia or town, but if you don't address the issue early it makes it harder late game. 

How would you solve it? 

You don't pressure him, and he just sticks around to the end of the game without ever taking a hard stance and then you are trying to decipher whether he is town or scum with nothing to go off of and it's lylo. 

He is exhibiting behavior that is not towny, and on top of that is not actively taking stances. That is where you put pressure early so it's

1) easier to solve late game
2) easier for him to slip if you lock him into something early
I think solution is to force them to post more and if they don’t, force them to claim. They’re going to change their behavior at some point
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@Mikal
If posting little is a scum tell, you will scum read me in every game we play. I’ve probably posted twice as much this day phase than I have in most normal games entirety. I am a busy person and most people here know that I’m not super active. I’m trying to be better at it, but don’t expect me to post as much as you, or even a fraction of it.
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@Mikal
If posting little is a scum tell, you will scum read me in every game we play. I’ve probably posted twice as much this day phase than I have in most normal games entirety. I am a busy person and most people here know that I’m not super active. I’m trying to be better at it, but don’t expect me to post as much as you, or even a fraction of it.
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@ILikePie5
I’m going off past experiences with earth but he’s been playing mafia since at least 5 years ago and his reads and behavior are largely the same. I don’t know how to say it tactfully but I think a lack of experience or growth in play is typically when someone will slip.

Tbf I don’t know much about Ana but from last game and this game she seems levels headed?  (Outside of the random Omgus that’s happening right now) Maybe I’m wrong on this. But just initial impressions and seeing the same earth I saw 5 years ago or so leads me to believe he will prob fuck up under pressure. 
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@Casey_Risk
I struggle to see the scum reason for Earth saying "this role was used recently" when it wasn't.
There was a soldier in chess mafia. If Earth was going through past games as scum he might have a broader sense of "recent" games since he doesn't have to rely on memory.
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Okay, basic reads...

Mikal - Lean Town, he's active and a town leader which tracks pretty well with his playing last game. That said, all I have to go on for past behavior is one game, so maybe I'm wrong on his usual activity

Casey - Posts have been cooperative with town, and it feels like they're working for the benefit of the town. They've called out some scummy behavior I noticed too, and I agree with all of their logic. They've been vigilant in scum hunting and very active also.

Pie - Slight Town, I've got no reason to scum-read him, which is usually a good sign with pie. His behavior seems pretty stereotypical town, which isn't much because that's something I feel like an experienced player like Pie could easily fake. The one thing that does seem weird to me is the lack of aggressive activity. Pie is usually a pretty aggressive player, and he's been doing some of that, but mostly on Earth and other inactives like me. I usually see him doing more scum hunting from the people who are playing the game, and I haven't seen as much of that yet.

Savant - Slight Town I've been trying to remember his past games, and I've never really seen him be as active or give as detailed reads, which leans a little towards town for me but I'm not entirely sure what to make of it. He's also been pretty helpful to the town, seems to be pushing claims and providing reads for the sake of the town, not for any scum reasons.

Mharman - Null, he's posted enough but the posts haven't leaned either way too much for me. I wasn't paying the most attention to him though, I might have to go back and take a better look at him. I seem to remember he was more active though. I wouldn't call it lurking fully, but it's maybe approaching that?

Banana - Null, not enough posting. The opening fluff posts seem slight Town and there were a lot of real posts on that seemed genuine, like 198 and 199

WyIted - Slight Scum, He's surprisingly been normal behaviorally this game, which is very abnormal for WyIted. He's been participating and playing the game and has avoided his usual random fluff. This is completely behavioral, so he's definitely not on my short list for lynching, I just moved him slightly down from null for the different than usual play style, at least from my POV.

Whiteflame - Slight scum, He was a little more reactive to Mikal's pressure early game than I expected from him. He's usually a bit more even and laid back, while still posting. His post #234 reads seemed a little bit like they were trying to fly under the radar too. He null read a lot of people and had no real scum reads. Feels like he might be trying to go unnoticed while still posting and let his scum buddies do the pressure. Still just a slight scum read though.

Earth - Lean scum, He's acting behaviorally pretty normal with the lack of posting, but when he does post he gets a little more OMGUSy than he normally is. 215 & 221 are good examples of this. I'm willing to Lynch due to him potentially being a town liability. DP1 doesn't have much use when it comes to lynching scum IMO, so it's not scummy to want to Lynch inactives (like me) just like it's not really that scummy to push a miller Lynch DP1, or another negative utility. The main problem here hasn't been lack of activity, it's been a resistance to provide more activity when pressured for it.

This is after reading up to page 10. I'll keep reading, I just wanted to post something to show I am playing.



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I can give you a TLDR, but you're gonna need a TLDR for the TLDR
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@Mikal
Suggesting a path for town to take and then immediately must doing it without getting feedback about the thought really pings me as farming cred
Cool then you just have a bad read. Saying something is scummy doesn’t make it scummy. I’d do it again in a heartbeat.
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@Mikal
Suggesting a path for town to take and then immediately must doing it without getting feedback about the thought really pings me as farming cred
Cool then you just have a bad read. Saying something is scummy doesn’t make it scummy. I’d do it again in a heartbeat.
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@Earth
Alright. Hey Pie, I finally got some reads.

Savant and Casey are hard town for me. Banana is slightly less town for me, but still pretty town.
Okay, why are they town?


For my null reads, its something like Pie > Mikal > Wylted = WF. I don't appreciate Mikal death tunneling me. I think its pretty stupid and his logic doesn't really pan out. But, granted, I am town so maybe I am biased. WF does similar things, even in games where I am town. Pie is playing as he usually does, but he is a touch inactive compared to his usual. WF hasn't done much yet and I almost forgot Wylted was playing. Austin and Moozer haven't posted yet, NAI for Moozer. I get Austin might be busy, but I definitely think we should get input from him. I'm obviously not going to suggest we lynch myself, so maybe if Austin will be the lynch if he continues as he is.
So no scum reads or does the order represent that?
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It’s not a scum tell. I’m saying , you said I have not altered my read or adjusted it based on responses you have given. I’m saying there has not been enough responses to alter the initial read yet. 

You’ve explained why you said you did it. I just don’t buy it yet. That’s fine for now. At least pending Austin and Moozer because they are far more pressing issues. 

But you and earth are the two that just read wrong to me atm and yes your read is largely based off that one post and me not being able to shake it feels like you were farming town cred. 
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@Mikal
Could have used a fake claim but I really doubt it.
Survivor could easily be the fake character claim.
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@Mikal
Maybe he made up both. God knows what shows are in this game based on this split. I have thoughts based on my character and his does stick out a bit comparatively . But I have not seen others to compare and can validate that thought as the game progresses.
Maybe it's a total fakeclaim. But as I said earlier, Luna's theme splits are usually very straightforward, so straightclaiming your character as scum would generally be a bad idea. Odds are, Earth didn't do that. Survivor is also a really well known series and thus likely to be in the game, so Earth would also be unlikely to risk claiming it unless it was the given fake character. But that doesn't seem likely either, since Earth softed it so early (although I will grant it was a very light soft).

Do you agree or disagree with my logic? Why or why not?
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@Mikal
I’m going off past experiences with earth but he’s been playing mafia since at least 5 years ago and his reads and behavior are largely the same. I don’t know how to say it tactfully but I think a lack of experience or growth in play is typically when someone will slip.

Tbf I don’t know much about Ana but from last game and this game she seems levels headed?  (Outside of the random Omgus that’s happening right now) Maybe I’m wrong on this. But just initial impressions and seeing the same earth I saw 5 years ago or so leads me to believe he will prob fuck up under pressure. 

I’m still on page 8 so bear with me lol
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Correction not posting a lot is not AI but could be AI. If that makes sense. 
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Fuck I’m lost
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@Casey_Risk
Whiteflame's reads seem very... noncommittal? Lots of null players and no strong reads. I don't particularly like that.

And no scumreads. I agree with this
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@Mikal
Suggesting a path for town to take and then immediately must doing it without getting feedback about the thought really pings me as farming cred. 
Okay, here's the problem with your logic - this inference is all wrong. I know you haven't played here in quite a while (save for the last game), but it's the meta on this site to actually go ahead and softclaim first if you're suggesting that everyone sorts themselves into categories. Banana is just following that meta. It's NAI.