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How so? Is an unconfirmable role inherently scummy? Not necessarily. A Cop is technically unconfirmable. Scum can lie in general regardless of the role they take on.

It's not the position I'd expect you to make as town. Claiming something passive, unconfirmable, rare, and highly situational does tilt scummy, especially in response to early game pressure. I think the fact that Earth claimed Survivor is a pretty strong redeeming factor, stronger than Mikal seems to think, but to say that the claim itself isn't convenient is just weird, downright wrong, even.

It’s not that the claim itself interferes with anything, it’s that it’s non-verifiable. You don’t just auto-lynch a miller (at least I don’t), but there is a meta around miller claims because they’re inherently unverifiable. When that kind of claim is paired with scummy behavior, it becomes a very plausible, even meta to lynch.

Let me lay this out again:

1. He started the game barely engaging or participating.
   

1. Only started contributing after getting pressure.
   

1. Claimed a very obscure role, and if he is mafia, his team knows he is under pressure.
   

1. It’s easy to manipulate investigations as scum. 
   

1. His role can’t be confirmed until endgame, and not even through night actions, unless he slips or is caught by an investigative role.
   

1. His response after claiming was overly defensive, saying “this isn’t a weird claim, it was used in another game,” as if that’s supposed to justify it. along with all the other defensive behavior. 
   

The whole thing just feels too convenient, like an easy way to avoid a counterclaim by being the first full claim under light pressure. And let’s not forget, he offered the full claim after being told not to, both by Savant and myself because we asked to wait for Moozer.

tbh if I am the last surviving town, then town played poorly.

Again you are doing IIOA.

Stop getting bogged down on role and character justifications especially when portions of it could be fake claimed. 

The role analysis and obscurity part is additive. That is the only thing you are going on about and it’s the least important part. 

Waiting until Moozer posted could adjust if we want his claim. We had no idea what Moozer or Austin would post. Still don’t know about Austin. Maybe they come out the gate scummy as shit. It’s best to see given we still had like 2 days in the dp at that point.  As I said getting a full claim early is needed but we had time to see what they would do first. 

I am not sure if it’s a fake claim. I’m saying my character leads me to think things about the game so I think survivor could be a safe claim even without it being given by Luna . But the first person pressured would likely use a fake claim so it’s possible. 

I just think there are a lot of outs and I don’t really care about the character and justification in the moment until we see more from other people later on. I care about how he has acted and you can spit shit into your blue in the face and say that is meta earth behavior. You were on him early for his behavior but because you are comparing your character to his you think you are having some grand epiphany.

I’m telling you, my character makes me question it. We don’t know enough to give a shit about theme or characters atm. Behavior is way more important. 

Yeah, I think you might be onto something. I wouldn't blow it out of proportion, but it's weird that 4 of his original five are clear mislynch targets. Like I said before, there's reasoning for three of them, but the fact that Banana got lumped in with them with little explanation makes me reconsider the whole bunch.