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@Earth
Is there a reason you are being reticent?
Yes.

A) The goal here was to get three claims and leave it at three. I would prefer Mharman's, ergo I would prefer not to be the third.
B) I have reasons for keeping my claim to myself in the first place. You can learn them next DP if you wish to wait.

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@whiteflame
I think Mhar said something along the lines of him wanting to keep his role a secret. What do you think of that?
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@Earth
I think Mhar said something along the lines of him wanting to keep his role a secret. What do you think of that?
I think he and I share a motivation.
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The fact that it’s taking this long could mean theres 1/2 scum in Wylted, WF, Mharman
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@Earth
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I'm willing to get a claim from WyIted over WF is WF has a reason for keeping his claim secret. We can demand a claim from WF tomorrow.
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I was wanting to post more than I am going to be able to do. I am actually going to concede to ana on this, she keeps saying I intend to go back and read and don't and at this point, that is accurate. Just got home, and prob need to pass out because I have to get up super early tomorrow to deal with a broken ac. I am going to post a short summary and then pass out soon for the night. Will try to answer stuff why I am here.  I mentioned we were going to run out of time and we are. We should have this game solved before we all sleep so we aren't doing last minute scrambling tomorrow morning. 

I really wanted to go back and look at motivations for why people were not buying my reads on earth but will not have the time or energy tonight. I know the basics of most of them. Pie basically said he always plays scummy, and ana is reading him town because his role and character make sense/ and because I am reading him as scum. Basically saying "Mikal think bad, so must be good cus easy mislynch".  I have not backed off this all DP and don't think I can now. I can go chasing motivations and look for reasons not to trust myself, but I my entire gut and feeling has had these two as my top two picks. 

Earth because he did not really engage until pressured, spammed a shit ton of fluff at the start, has a very obscure role, and then starting getting defensive when more pressure went his way. Not to mention he just volunteered the claim in response to hardly no pressure. 

Anas initial post has always felt like she was farming town cred, and everything after that just makes her seem more sus. How defensive she is, how some of her reads are based on how I am pressuring people, how one of her reads is because someone defended her. There is a fixation and annoyance with this where because I said that initial claim, her behavior and response has only amplified to just wanting to fight and respond to me because she can't accept the logic behind it. I am going to accept casey is right and say that sure, doing what she did may be meta on this site but the fact she can't see the logic that just because it's meta, scum can still do it as a tactic really just feels wrong 

These are my two preferences, still. 

Past that between the list everyone is agreeing to, my pick on who we get a claim from is wylted. He initially read me as towny because of how abrasive he was being and thinking scum would not be that aggressive, then he just lost interest in the game, and nothing else really stuck out until his pressure on Austin. He somewhat lied to him to get him to claim

again that could be done with good intent or bad intent. Good because he could be trying to force a slip or bad because he wanted more claims as scum. It initially found towny but the more I think about it, the more that felt insanely opportunistic. Everyone has had some kind of fucking creepy obsession with more claims. We already have soft claims, hard claims, and more than enough info behaviorally to poe and pick a decent target and we are still wanting another claim. I disagree with this but if we are agreeing to that list against my will, then I pick wylted.  

that does not mean we should lynch him, that means if we are going to be stubborn and dumb and get another claim for no reason then he is the best choice to me. Past that I have given my thoughts on my top two. I am leaving my vote on earth and I think very likely you all will have to decide where to vote because I am going to be koed pretty soon and not be able to give much more feedback. 

Will end this DP reiterating , I still feel wrong about earth and banana. 
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my pick on who we get a claim from is wylted
I'm fine going this route given WF's response. WyIted, can you claim?
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@Savant
I thought we were getting one claim.  Are we just mass claiming this DP now?  I can if it's a popular enough thing but WF essentially stopped one step short of claiming which is good enough for me. I can see me claiming and then all of a sudden we have people be retarded and then say "well we did agree to one claim and even though whiteflame is really easy to guess and even though wylted full claimed AI guess we go after mharman now"

At some point we have to stop giving the scum team information and just fucking lynch somebody. Fine whiteflame seems confirmable enough we can wait a day but we need to lynch somebody and my vote is Earth or Moozer given he is merely claiming his role is confirmable but not affiliation
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@WyIted
well we did agree to one claim and even though whiteflame is really easy to guess and even though wylted full claimed AI guess we go after mharman now
I don't support going after Mharman, just getting a claim from you. The slippery slope stuff is not helpful, and we don't have much time left anyway.

VTL WyIted
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@WyIted
It's not about mass claiming, it's that I'd rather lynch you or WF, and WF's response is good enough I don't really want to pressure him more. I also don't want to lynch you without giving you a chance to claim.
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@WyIted
I thought we were getting one claim.  Are we just mass claiming this DP now?  I can if it's a popular enough thing but WF essentially stopped one step short of claiming which is good enough for me. I can see me claiming and then all of a sudden we have people be retarded and then say "well we did agree to one claim and even though whiteflame is really easy to guess and even though wylted full claimed AI guess we go after mharman now"

At some point we have to stop giving the scum team information and just fucking lynch somebody. Fine whiteflame seems confirmable enough we can wait a day but we need to lynch somebody and my vote is Earth or Moozer given he is merely claiming his role is confirmable but not affiliation
Just claim bro. If your claim is satisfactory, I’ll vote Earth just to secure the lynch. And please be specific. State exactly what your character is. What your role is, and what your justification is
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@Savant
If you want to look up acronyms, you should try using GSW filtering for CFMS. In particular, a lot of the acronyms Mikal uses are from PLMU. I would recommend being familiar with the acronyms from MATVL to avoid being scum read, as a common scum tactic is to PNTNT.
bruh what
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@Mharman
bruh what
Do you not understand the acronyms?
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Okay, I’m going to bed soon, and I’m probably not going to be up in time to hammer in the morning, so I’m going to go ahead and VTL Earth

If anyone has a good reason for me to VTL someone else, now is the time to say it.
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VTL WyIted for claim.
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@Moozer325
Assuming you are town, can you not vote me again as town and leave?
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@WyIted
Screw it, I don't think I'm getting Mharman's claim tonight, and Wylted doesn't look much better to me right now. 

VTL Wylted 
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@Savant
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Really do not like the fact that he hopped on, posted about how he doesn't want more claims because I guess he thought we already got a claim and that I was holding out for some reason, and then hopped off without waiting for a response and with attention on him from Savant. Yeah, I'm willing to pursue this.

VTL WyIted

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@Lunatic
vote count plz and thank you
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unvote just in case i have a vote on someone
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@whiteflame
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make sure ur keeping track of how many votes are on wylted

idc if he's at l2, i just wanna be careful about l1 cause all it takes is one bozo not paying attention for an accidental hammer to happen

yeah i scumread wylted but if we lynch him should be no accident
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@Savant
Well I guess this will be a short game for me in that case because I refuse to lie as town anymore and my claim sounds like bullshit.
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@Savant
Oh okay, didn’t realize that a WyIted claim was actually within possibility as I was the only vote who voted for it. 

Gonna wait for the vote count from luna just to make sure I don’t accidentally hammer.
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I am the dating game. 

Because it the famous episode with 

Rodney Alcala (a serial killer known as the dating game killer)

I am the even night miller. 

That's right on odd nights I am investigated as innocent and on even nights I always investigate as guilty. I also know that we are trying to policy lynch Millers from the attention on me last game so was considering lying and claiming vanilla but I made a promise
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@Mharman
Wylted was at zero votes before Savant voted for him according to Luna's last vote count 
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@WyIted
my claim sounds like bullshit
Might as well spill it at this point.
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@Earth
What does that mean? I’m want to lynch you this DP, you’re top in my PoE. I’m not going to change because you asked me to.
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@WyIted
I also know that we are trying to policy lynch Millers from the attention on me last game so was considering lying and claiming vanilla but I made a promise
Why didn't you claim miller at the start?
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Ya that’s bullshit 

VTL Wylted 
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@WyIted
You're right, that claim does reek of BS. There was once a serial killer who appeared on the show and therefore you're the Miller? What?