Approval method and rank choice election systems r way better than our current system

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Our voting system needs reformed. We have what's called plurality voting. That means even if someone is unpopular with most people, they still can win the primary if they have the biggest minority. and then be put in the position to have no choices but to win the general election too. That caused the elections with Hilary and Harris and Trump to be races of who us less unpopular instead of who people actually like.

There's other systems that I advocate for called approval method voting and rank choice voting that r way better. That's where someone who has the highest approval rating wins, or choices r ranked by each voter and the weighted averages system decides the winner. Way better system.

Some say we need third party systems but that's short sighted. It just causes the spoiler effect where bad politicians split the vote of popular politicians and the whole system becomes flawed.

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What about proportional parliamentary system with ranked choice voting in parliament for the prime minister?
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I'm open to parliamentary systems, and those systems combined with rank choice is even better. I acknowledge your system might be the most superior of them all

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**Ranked choice parliamentary systems** combine two concepts:

1. **Parliamentary system** — where the executive (usually a prime minister) is chosen from and accountable to the legislature (parliament), not directly elected by the public.
2. **Ranked choice voting** — where voters rank candidates or parties in order of preference (1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc.) instead of selecting just one.

### How Ranked Choice Works in Parliamentary Elections

There are several ways ranked choice can be implemented in parliamentary systems. The most common are:

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### **1. Single Transferable Vote (STV)**

**Used in:** Ireland, Malta, and some local elections in Australia.

* **Multi-member districts**: Voters elect several representatives per district.
* Voters **rank candidates** (not parties) in order of preference.
* A **quota** is calculated (usually using the Droop formula) for how many votes a candidate needs to win a seat.
* If a candidate exceeds the quota, their surplus votes are transferred to remaining candidates based on voters’ next preferences.
* If no one meets the quota, the candidate with the fewest votes is eliminated and their votes redistributed.
* This repeats until all seats are filled.

**Pros:**

* Highly proportional.
* Reflects voter preferences more precisely.
* Reduces "wasted" votes.

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### **2. Instant Runoff Voting (IRV) / Alternative Vote (AV)**

**Used in:** Australia (House of Representatives).

* **Single-member districts**.
* Voters **rank candidates**.
* If no candidate gets a majority (50%+), the lowest-ranked candidate is eliminated and their votes are redistributed.
* This continues until one candidate has a majority.

**Pros:**

* Promotes majority support.
* Discourages tactical voting.
* Helps minor parties and independents.

**Note:** While IRV isn't proportional like STV, it can still be part of a parliamentary system.

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### **3. Mixed Systems with Ranked Ballots**

Some proposals or hybrids may combine proportional representation (PR) with ranked ballots:

* Voters rank parties instead of candidates.
* Rankings help allocate seats in a proportional way (e.g., party-list PR using preferential ballots).

**Example (hypothetical or proposed):**

* Voters rank parties.
* A proportional formula (like Sainte-Laguë or D'Hondt) allocates seats.
* Rankings resolve tiebreakers or allow nuanced voter expression.

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### Summary Table

| Feature | STV | IRV/AV |
| -------------------- | ------------------- | ------------------------- |
| Seats per district | Multi-member | Single-member |
| Proportional? | Yes | No |
| Uses ranked ballots? | Yes | Yes |
| Example countries | Ireland, Malta | Australia (House of Reps) |
| Emphasis | Fair representation | Majority support |

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### Benefits of Ranked Choice in Parliamentary Systems

* **Greater voter satisfaction**: Voters can support preferred candidates without “wasting” their vote.
* **More nuanced representation**: Especially under STV, diverse views are better reflected.
* **Reduced polarization**: Encourages coalition-building and consensus candidates.
* **Minor parties**: Better chances of winning representation.

Would you like examples of election outcomes or simulations using ranked choice in a parliament?


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Once a popular vote is corrupted by contrived systems, it becomes a corrupted vote.


In the main, "Western" democracies rely upon the acquired sensibilities of the populace, and voting is something of a intermittent method of government regulation.

That is why, as yet, I have never voted in British parliamentary elections...Because as yet, voting makes no significant difference to how things get done.

Just different folk with similar bright ideas.


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That's where someone who has the highest approval rating wins,
How would that work, polls, which poll?  I think voting is already all about who the voters most approve of.

If a Governor is running against an incumbent, they both have approval ratings, but they are rated for two different things, just because people approve of a how a Governor is doing, it doesn't necessarily mean they think he/she would make a good President. Could you look at Congress and all Governors and say the one with the highest approval rating wins?  Then what about the individual who runs for President and is not in office, let's say it's a reality TV game show host, do you look at ratings to determine approval level.    That's what showed us how flawed the voting system is in the first place.
or choices r ranked by each voter and the weighted averages system decides the winner. Way better system.
This makes more sense in checking the current systems tendency towards extremism, the last few elections were largely determined by people voting against someone, rather than for someone.  

I voted for Gary Johnson in 2016, because the other two candidates were the last two people on earth I would vote for.  Every single Republican I knew told me I really voted for Hillary, and every single Democrat I knew told me I really voted for Trump. Everyone was voting "against", rather than "for", so nobody could see another vote as anything but "an against" vote anyway.  
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Had Gary Johnson won he would have implemented the worst of Trump's policies and the worst of Hillary platform so yes you voted for both and the worst parts of both. In the future I would advocate you avoid doing things that a retard would do and behave like a non retard would.
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Our voting system needs reformed
No.

Imagine that you have a country with 10 stupid people as its population.

No matter which voting system you put in place, stupid people will always cast stupid votes.

This "rank choice" seems more like a solution that wont really fix anything.

Nothing can fix USA because the people there are very dishonest and corrupt. They proved that many times now.

There is no system which can help them, and even if there was, they would vote against it.
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Had Gary Johnson won he would have implemented the worst of Trump's policies and the worst of Hillary platform so yes you voted for both and the worst parts of both.
I didn't have access to someone with a crystal ball in 2016, next time there is an election I'll let you predict the future for me, thanks.

I knew he couldn't win, and I knew I couldn't vote for Trump or Clinton.

In the future I would advocate you avoid doing things that a retard would do and behave like a non retard would.
I suppose I could've done what the trailer trash rednecks and sociopaths did, and vote for Trump. 

But that would be moronic.
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I suppose I could've done what the trailer trash rednecks and sociopaths did, and vote for Trump. 

But that would be moronic.
How dumb of people to oppose open borders, cutting the penises off of gay kids and be pro free speech
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I suppose I could've done what the trailer trash rednecks and sociopaths did, and vote for Trump. 

But that would be moronic.
How dumb of people to oppose open borders, cutting the penises off of gay kids and be pro free speech
Only the very dumbest people believe that load of bullshit.

You got your Dumbfuck Degree at Trump University, didn't you?
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Only the very dumbest people believe that load of bullshit.
I feel sorry for you that you think dumb people believe in free speech, some level of border security and not mutilating children
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Only the very dumbest people believe that load of bullshit.
I feel sorry for you that you think dumb people believe in free speech, some level of border security and not mutilating children
LOL, this nonsense might play well in your little Felliniesque conspiracy world, but over here in the real world, it's just unhinged incoherent blather.

Over here in the real world, we laugh at what stupid people think is clever.

Nobody falls for it.

 
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LOL, this nonsense might play well in your little Felliniesque conspiracy world, but over here in the real world, it's just unhinged incoherent blather.
Why is border security unhinged?
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LOL, this nonsense might play well in your little Felliniesque conspiracy world, but over here in the real world, it's just unhinged incoherent blather.
Why is border security unhinged?
I didn't say border security is unhinged, that's just some words in your unhinged blather.  The word salad MAGA Morons use to try to justify how they feel, and how they act, is nothing but irrelevant babble, mostly lies and nonsense, but it just the noise you make with your feelings. It's just the only way to control stupid people.

Trump owns you by your feelings, not logic or reason, not words, he manipulates feelings, what he sells is outrage, not ideas. Musk can dance around with a toy chainsaw till you guys are frothing at the mouth, and you try to explain the angry hateful frenzy by making up some words, mostly lies and conspiracy theories, but it is about the hatred and anger you feel, the words aren't actually about anything, they just express the feeling. It's just what hatred sounds like.
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I didn't say border security is unhinged, that's just some words in your unhinged blather. 
I literally mentioned border security and your response was literally to say that's unhinged to my post. Reread it. Now if you think open borders is bad. Welcome to the maga movement my friend.