A Life of Abundance

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Maybe our spiritual detractors look only at the surface level of literalism because they are simply intellectually unable to grasp any deeper level of understanding. This would explain why their posts that attempt to denigrate Spirit and declare themselves more intelligent, or more scientific, seem to be such stupid posts, I have never understood why some people think if they say something really stupid about religion, that it makes the religion look stupid, it doesn't, saying something stupid makes the person saying it look stupid, no matter what the stupid statement is about. 

If true intelligence is mental expansion, which is to say, it involves the ability to view and understanding widely different things from multiple different perspectives, an aptitude for grasping a wide range of truths, relationships, and meanings, and the capacity for abstract and symbolic thought, then it follows logically that the contention that one can reduce reality to only one of its modes, to know it in only one of its forms, to deny that different perspectives even exist, is an unintelligent claim.

Science does not contend that reality can be reduced to a single ontological level, on the contrary, science asserts that reality is in fact, multileveled, it asserts that the four dimensions of existence that we call reality, are contingent and relative to a greater reality of more dimensions, of which we cannot have certain knowledge, and which can only be expressed metaphorically.  Because this is  a function of abstract and symbolic thought, perhaps it simply cannot be grasped by less intelligent people.

All knowledge begins with experience, we are human beings having an experience of reality, and when we do philosophy, religion, science, or art, what we are doing is trying to comprehend and understand, and then to express and relate that experience. It logically follows that a person of less intellectual capacity will have a different experience of reality than someone with a greater intellectual capacity.

Perhaps the lesser intellect just doesn’t have the ability to grasp who we are in the larger framework of meaning and significance. Maybe it has nothing to do with religion or dogma; maybe it is simply a matter of possessing the faculties that allows one to conceive of self in more expansive terms.

In possessing a greater range of mental capacities and consequently being capable of a greater range of possible responses, can bring about a fuller state of being. Perhaps reconciling a richer inner life with outer reality, can render an outcome that can be characterized as “a life of abundance”. 


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Gods have blessed me with a lot. I am very grateful for all the great gifts from them.
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Gods have blessed me with a lot. I am very grateful for all the great gifts from them.
You left Satan out . Earlier you thanked Satan for your gifts.
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I wrote this in response to a dumbass who posted very dumbass thread, but when I went to post it, the thread was locked.  
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I wrote this in response to a dumbass who posted very dumbass thread, but when I went to post it, the thread was locked.  
It was locked for everyone.
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It was locked for everyone.
Yeah, the dumbassedness was escalating, so they locked it.
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You left Satan out . Earlier you thanked Satan for your gifts.
Look at the owl.
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You left Satan out . Earlier you thanked Satan for your gifts.
Look at the owl.
I thought you worked on a chicken farm. Are you breeding owls too?
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Do you think owls are cool?
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There a real hoot.
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Owl is a symbol of Goddess Athena.
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I really thought this guy FishChaser was having a tough time. It turned out that he was fucking around.

No wonder he didn't respond to my question, I was willing to give him a bit of hope. 
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I really thought this guy FishChaser was having a tough time. It turned out that he was fucking around.
That’s why I call him ShitRaiser.

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@Sidewalker
Religion doesn't need anyone to make it look literally stupid.

It is stupid by it's own definition...Stupid was your choice of descriptive, by the way.

I would perhaps say, literally incoherent relative to developed intellect and consequent understanding...In short, outdated.

Which isn't to say that analogous Mangod hypotheses were not reasonable as basic representations of the unknown factors that facilitated creation and existence.


And I am intellectually capable of grasping more than one idea at a time, just as you should be.

How we respond to ideology, really just depends upon how we have been conditioned to respond.


As for spirit:

Well, such reactions are what one wants them to be.

And so they should be.


And in the end, who knows.

Neither you nor I, that's for sure.


So we use a Forum to occasionally poke each other in the ribs.

Which is beneficial entertainment and brain exercise.

None of which either proves or disproves Mangod theory, or any other creation and existence hypothesis.

So let's just enjoy the process while we can.



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Nice post man. 
Telling it how tit is. 

You haven't got a fucking clue what happens after ya die do ya Zed. 
Not saying your gonna die  buttttt.
Ya clueless.
Nice, nice. 

Good day boss.
  
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Do you think owls are cool?
They are not as tasty as chickens.
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Telling it how tit is.
Freudian slip.


Buttttt, after I die there will be trillions of years of stuff happening that won't involve me as such.

Though my component atoms will perhaps be put to good use.


So how long will a year be when the Sun gives up the ghost and takes the Earth with it.

What d'ya think Bruce.
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Telling it how tit is.
Freudian slip.


Buttttt, after I die there will be trillions of years of stuff happening that won't involve me as such.

Though my component atoms will perhaps be put to good use.


So how long will a year be when the Sun gives up the ghost and takes the Earth with it.

What d'ya think Bruce
Let him finish his chicken sandwich.
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Down by the billabong.


Away for a few days now, see you Tuesday Sister Shila.
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Down by the billabong.


Away for a few days now, see you Tuesday Sister Shila.
We all need a break from each other. Enjoy!
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Hmmmm, "Sister Shila", I like that.
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Om Namah Shivaya

Om Namah Shivaya

Om Namah Shivaya

Om Namah Shivaya

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I have seen a lot of these fuzzy claims before, and they do not amount to much. "Reality is multileveled" - what does it mean? How is it differentiated from a one-leveled reality? It seems to be one of those statements that sound profound, but there is no substance to them.

The most substantial claim in your opening statement is this one:

Science does not contend that reality can be reduced to a single ontological level, on the contrary, science asserts that reality is in fact, multileveled, it asserts that the four dimensions of existence that we call reality, are contingent and relative to a greater reality of more dimensions, of which we cannot have certain knowledge, and which can only be expressed metaphorically.
Where does it assert that? I am not aware of any scientific field in which the presumption is that there are aspects of reality of which we cannot have certain knowledge. In physics, for instance, one of the primary endeavors is the "theory of everything", that would potentially describe the properties of the most fundamental blocks of reality from which, in principle, all real phenomena will follow. The existence of, for the lack of the better term, "supernatural reality" is not supported by any existing evidence.

What does exist is the domain of thought in which very complex ideas can be distilled in metaphors. There can be pieces of intergenerational wisdom that are very hard to capture with a rigorous scientific methodology, yet that demonstrably have a lot of value. The "Chesterton's fence" mental experiment that is commonly used as an argument in favor of conservatism likely cannot be expressed as some kind of an equation, and it is not clear how to test its validity in a real experiment. Yet it makes sense to anyone who comes across it, and it is clear that in this concise mental experiment something very fundamental and robust is embedded.

There is absolutely no need to invoke "other dimensions", the "supernatural" or anything else of this kind to explain this though. Humans have brains that are powerful processing machines, and billions of brains learning from each other over the course of hundreds of thousands of years are bound to find some heuristics that apply to all generations, regardless of the level of their technological advancement, or their cultural progress. The "Chesterton's fence" is a product of countless historical events across which the pattern of breaking things and realizing that seemingly obsolete things were there for a good reason was observed.

The religious kind like to claim that there is something more here, something as real as our physical reality, but less understandable. Why would there be? There is a lot in the Lord of the Rings, but everyone knows that it is a human mind that produced it. Tolkien did not commune with some otherworldly spirits to write his books. He did not tap into domains of reality not accessible to us mere mortals. Curiously, Tolkien was a devoted Catholic, but I do not think that many Catholics would suggest that Sauron reflects some divine phenomenon. That Sauron is a purely fictional character - notwithstanding embodying elements of ancient stories that, in turn, had a lot of intergenerational wisdom encoded in them - is as clear to everyone as that there is no Galaxy Far-Far Away with Darth Vader in it in this Universe.

The problem with religion is that it goes further than that: the religious Saurons are taken more seriously than Tolkien's Sauron. They are taken as somehow more real, existing in some "larger world", the way Tolkien's characters are not. Is there a bigger world in which Frodo Baggins is alive? Come on now. But with, say, Buddha it is different: many Buddhists think that he exists in some "Pure Realm" that is out there somewhere.

I do not know about other people, but that is all I personally say about religion: not that it is evil, or stupid, or useless, or does not contain deep wisdom and powerful traditions - but simply that it is fiction. Good fiction has everything that religious people credit their "holy books" with, and as long as it is taken as fiction having that, I have no problem with it whatsoever. I have no problem with someone saying, "The Bible is a book that helps me navigate my life, that I read frequently and from which I gain new pieces of wisdom". I guess I would find the particular choice of the book a little strange - with things like endorsement of slavery and genocides - but, hey, in a proper context those, too, can contain a lot of wisdom.

But when you say that the characters in the Bible or the Quran are somehow more real than Sauron or Darth Vader - then I have to say that, indeed, this is quite stupid. I think I knew for sure that Santa Claus was made up when I was 4 and a half. It seems to me that 4-5 is a good age range to start understanding the fundamental difference between fantasy and reality - and to understand that fantasy plays a very important role in human life, and it should never spill out from its proper domain into other domains, especially those dealing with questions of reality.