Game Show Mafia DP2

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Welp, unfortunately for Lunatic, I think that regardless that we should be certain one scum is between Austin and Moozer. - MHARMAN
See, this is exactly what I'm talking about. I know I'm town, I townread Moozer for a variety of reasons, and it feels like Mharman is trying to lynch me, act shocked when I flip town, then say, "see, this must mean Moozer is scum". Then all of a sudden if Moozer is town then we're in LYLO and then Mharman can move straight to blaming Lunatic for being a bastard mod or something when Luna literally said not to read into the CC. If we genuinely caught scum that way, Luna interfering and stopping us from doing that would be true bastard modding.

So yeah, feels just like lining up mislynches and distracting from the consensus POE which he's conveniently in.

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I think if WF is guilty, banana should be the top scum read. If he's innocent, Mharman should be the top scum read.
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The fact that all three of you don’t want to go for it makes me wonder if I’m correct in calling out the potential plan of Austin’s. I guess it’s your job to tell me why that can’t be the case.

If I do decide to trust yall on this in the end, I’m at least going to interrogate Austin and Moozer a bit more this DP.
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I’m at least going to interrogate Austin and Moozer a bit more this DP.
Go for it, probably a decent idea anyway since we have time.
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Yes also

when scum already had two information-obscuring roles

??????
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Did you just slip?
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@Mharman
The fact that all three of you don’t want to go for it makes me wonder if I’m correct in calling out the potential plan of Austin’s. I guess it’s your job to tell me why that can’t be the case.
And what is my plan? To get CC'd for no reason whatsoever when about 75% of the game is townreading me for my role and my genuine catchup D1?

I'm not the best player but I have a 5 wins out of 6 scum games here (and the one loss was my third game ever), one of my strengths as scum is navigating mechanics and planning things really carefully so that mechanics only ever implicate town. It's completely baffling that you think I'd ever 1v1 for no reason as scum when you've literally seen me play scum before and it's a large part of the reason why I don't trust your play.
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??????
First one is Wylted's vote-hider, second one is the janitor.

Correct me if I'm wrong here.

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Yes also

when scum already had two information-obscuring roles

??????

Did you just slip?
Big if true
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Lol nvm
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Fair enough. I didn’t consider wylted role information obscuring but I can see how you would label is that. 
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I just think that this much power to deny information to town, especially regarding fundamental mechanics (votes [Wylted's role], flips [the janitor], and alignment [some godfather/lawyer), is pretty ridiculous balancing in a 8 v 3 which is traditionally scumsided by numbers. I'm not discounting is entirely, but I saw some people bring it up as a reason that town!Earth and scum!Moozer is possible, and I'm not really buying it today.
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It’s def possible and the wf flip will tell us how possible. 

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It's probs towny for Mikal to point out the slip though now that I think about it, just feels like a "gotcha" while scum would play more cautiously around because they know I'm town and have an explanation for it. Also kinda like Savant's reaction.

Not like, that helpful since I already tr both of them, but I do get a lot of my reads from realtime stuff like this and instinctively, it felt pretty good.
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@Mikal
How strongly are you pushing for a WF flip? I'd prefer Mharman but WF is also in my POE - are your concerns just about his claim, or is there anything from today/yesterday I should go over again?
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Also, would like some thoughts on how I should use my role, if ever.

As a reminder, it's a gladiator where thread locks, me and the person I challenge have to answer a survey question, and whoever gets an answer closer to what the majority of the other people pick wins the match and the other gets lynched.

So there's no way to guarantee who wins the match, but it's also a neat emergency button in case things really go sideways and we're willing to gamble the game on hitting scum by chance.
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Basically he’s bottom 3 regardless. You leave him alive and if he’s town scum will push for a mislynch at some point anyway. If he’s scum. Great we are in a huge position. But his behavior , probability of using a fake character claim cus wykted didn’t use one, and result about Ana right after Ana claimed is just sus 


Reason I want him first is I think I have a way to heavy nail down Poe regardless of the flip 
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You will confirm today on who we lynch 


We don’t lynch but confirm you and kill them 
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@AustinL0926
How strongly are you pushing for a WF flip? I'd prefer Mharman but WF is also in my POE - are your concerns just about his claim, or is there anything from today/yesterday I should go over again?
Here's what I said to WF in post #565:
One question that's been on my mind for a while: Why didn't WyIted use scum's fake role claim? I don't think soldier would be a fake claim, and WyIted was very clearly on the chopping block. I think the explanation that makes the most sense is that WyIted knew that scum would still be lynched that day even if he survived. You were the other person on the chopping block yesterday, and I think the scum team may have decided it was worth sacrificing WyIted so you could hopefully get more town cred the next day and use the fake claim. I think that's been a big cause for my suspicion, and without that context my suspicion toward your claim may seem unwarranted to you.

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You will confirm today on who we lynch 
Did you not read what Austin said? There's no guarantee Austin survives and WF dies
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Doesn’t gladiator live off a vote. I may have missed that but I googled the role when he claimed it. 
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Oh never mind I totally missed that. Welp 
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As a reminder, it's a gladiator where thread locks, me and the person I challenge have to answer a survey question, and whoever gets an answer closer to what the majority of the other people pick wins the match and the other gets lynched.
Sounds like a role that easily get scum out of a lynch in a pinch, but also seems busted in a 3v8. This variation seems to be one that disincentivizes testing it. All of this makes me think it could be a fake claim.

Nonetheless, Mikal, you have been doing a lot things that are hard to fake as scum, plenty of small details you’ve looked at. Very good signs of towniness. I’ll guess I’ll let you cook.

Nonetheless, Moozer and Austin, your interrogation will be later this DP. I will use the time we have this DP. I’ll need to revisit my thoughts on Banana too, but I still think she’s town behaviorally.
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I town read Austin so hard but I don’t love that claim. I missed the survey part of it and just thought it was a vote 

It makes it very risky to confirm. 
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If the alternative is just to die by lynch, I’m fine just submitting a terrible answer to the survey and falling on that sword to confirm Austin’s role. Might as well give town something more from my death. Of course, that depends on everyone’s willingness to trust me, though I’d be the obvious lynch if I survive somehow.
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If the alternative is just to die by lynch, I’m fine just submitting a terrible answer to the survey and falling on that sword to confirm Austin’s role. Might as well give town something more from my death. Of course, that depends on everyone’s willingness to trust me, though I’d be the obvious lynch if I survive somehow.
I like this plan, I think it hedges our bets.
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Yeah this works 


We need everyone to vote for me and then Austin to use his role 



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To be absolutely clear: I will be on a flight much of the rest of the day, so if this becomes the plan, executing on it may have to wait until either late tonight or tomorrow.
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Official Vote Count:

Moozer- 5/5- pie, mikal, mharman, Whiteflame, savant

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Official Vote Count:

Moozer- 2/5- pie, Mikal