Game Show Mafia DP2

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Just checking in between classes, is it possible Casey submitted a guess? That would make it so that 7 players alive and Casey would account for the 8.

Mharman's claim seems weird btw, I don't see how he mixed up Oracle and Gramps. 
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Well, maybe not conflicting if Luna messed up or there's a role that affects the number of claims.
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Also, how do we know that one person didn't submit their vote? I think I missed that part and I can't find anything about it in the OP.
In the last post of DP1. Luna said there were 8 submissions. There can only be 9 submissions because scum only make one submission. 8 Town submissions + 1 scum submission possible. There is no way scum didn’t submit something, so the 1 missing submission has to be a townie
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Since I thought the 8 players had to be alive, but when Luna announced the result Casey was still alive.
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Just checking in between classes, is it possible Casey submitted a guess? That would make it so that 7 players alive and Casey would account for the 8.
No cause Casey was alive when she made the submission
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Oh, I get what you mean. Give me a sec, going to my next class rn, I'll try to figure it out
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@AustinL0926
Just checking in between classes, is it possible Casey submitted a guess? That would make it so that 7 players alive and Casey would account for the 8.
But that would mean every town player submitted. Scum only get one submission.
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I asked him last night if it was an error to say 8 instead of 9 and he said there were only 8
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@Savant
Your soft claim could very well be the reason WyIted didn't use the fake claim. Also it's not the only investigative role if you count the 1x cop or 1x watcher/tracker, nor is it investigative every night.
So you think that Luna would give a softclaim of how a role works like this, something that clearly stands out, to scum as part of their fake role claim? I think that’s baffling, but sure, fine.

It is the only investigative role town has that cannot just be commandeered if scum manages trivia better. I can’t fathom Luna creating a game that’s so swingy it effectively offers scum an opportunity never to be investigated, but sure, whatever.
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Alright, I'm popular townie. I softed this earlier by saying my role was similar to the escape artist role in that it makes me harder to lynch.

I'm "Who's line is it anyways", which according to my PM is a game show that is less about the actual points and more about just having fun and making the audience laugh.
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@ILikePie5
Is it wrong that in thinking Luna knew scum was about to get yeeted of that and tried to salvage the game? He never does that unless an error happened that was going to cause a major issue 
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@whiteflame
So you think that Luna would give a softclaim of how a role works like this
No? I think Luna would give the full role and you would soft claim it.
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we need to be careful but we need to check moozere role just for giggles. Could be popular mafioso but have to check to confirm it for due diligence 

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@Savant
No? I think Luna would give the full role and you would soft claim it.
Dude, I’m saying I softclaimed my lack of guaranteed access to the role. I never softed the role itself. That’s why I’m confused here because that’s the only thing I could have been given and softed. 
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@whiteflame
I can’t fathom Luna creating a game that’s so swingy it effectively offers scum an opportunity never to be investigated
That's any game where scum could potentially kill the investigative role the first night. Which is a lot of them. Also my role could probably be classified as investigative, though I really don't feel I have to share more than that.
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@whiteflame
I softclaimed my lack of guaranteed access to the role. I never softed the role itself.
Ok, but if lack of guaranteed access was part of the role description for the fake claim, maybe you softed that. Or maybe you planned to add that detail to the role and hence softed your lack of guranteed access.
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@Savant
That's any game where scum could potentially kill the investigative role the first night. Which is a lot of them. Also my role could probably be classified as investigative, though I really don't feel I have to share more than that
I disagree that those circumstances are all that similar, especially since it’s rarely a single investigative role, but whatever. It doesn’t sound like what you have is a CC, but if you do, we can cross that bridge whenever you’re willing. I’ve stated my results. They are what they are.
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this is moving to fast and at work. Savant tldr 

Whiteflame needs to claim. Do not let him get out because he said last dp he could claim and verify something today 
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Both austin and moozer seem town to me, I don't see why anyone would lie here. I think it's likely that lunatic just messed up, I am not going to place too much stock in that counter claim argument.
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@Mikal
Whiteflame needs to claim. Do not let him get out because he said last dp he could claim and verify something today
TL;DR: WF did claim, I suspect it's the fake claim from Luna.
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Alright, so we know that mafia had to have submitted, so that leaves 7 submissions from townies. But if Casey submitted, that'd only leave 6. 

1. Whiteflame
2. Mharman 
3. Mikal
4. iLikePie5
5. Banana
6. Earth 
7. Savant

If Moozer is a townie who forgot to submit, that'd imply 6 town, 1 scum in this block, but I know I'm not scum, so that'd make Moozer scum.

Whereas if Casey didn't submit, that'd imply... all seven have to be town? Which I also know can't be the case because I'm town and there are two scum alone.

I feel like I'm missing something obvious here, Pie, could you go through the logic again?

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1. Whiteflame - Wheel of Fortune - ???
2. Mharman - Price is Right - Gramps
3. Mikal - Pre 2000
4. Austin - Family Feud - Modified Gladiator
5. iLikePie5 - Pre 2000
6. Moozer - Whose Line Is It Anyways - Popular
7. Banana - Fear Factor - Brave Townie
8. Earth - Survivor - Soldier
9. Savant - Post 2000


Wylted - The Circle - 1x Catfish
Casey - Post 2000 - ??? - ???

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@iamanabanana
Both austin and moozer seem town to me, I don't see why anyone would lie here. I think it's likely that lunatic just messed up, I am not going to place too much stock in that counter claim argument.
Very towny response. I'd rather lynch Mharman today anyway.
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Honestly I just struggle to see Moozer as scum here, I feel like he has no reason to get into a 1v1 with me. And I don't think he accidentally counterclaimed, because no way he just lies like that without seeing that I already claimed, and then why does he CC me?

Feel like it's more likely something got messed up with the mech.
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Ok, but if lack of guaranteed access was part of the role description for the fake claim, maybe you softed that. Or maybe you planned to add that detail to the role and hence softed your lack of guranteed access.
Whole lot of WIFOM and this one’s getting specific, since I would have had to plan this early last DP and choose to give this role as my action after seeing it as something town could get this DP. Not something I can ever imagine doing as scum, but that’s just me.
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@whiteflame
What is your role actually called?
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Whiteflame needs to claim. Do not let him get out because he said last dp he could claim and verify something today 
I’m on my phone, but I did dude. Look back.
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What is your role actually called?
Literally Wheel Spinner.
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@AustinL0926
If neither you nor Moozer submitted and both of you are town, then at most 6 town people and 1 scum group submitted. Which would mean at most 7 submissions, but Luna said there were 8. I suspect Luna made a mistake.
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That’s why I’m asking for a tldr. It’s aids on my phone.