Game Show Mafia DP2

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@AustinL0926
I feel like I'm missing something obvious here, Pie, could you go through the logic again?
9 submissions were possible in DP1:

8 Townie
1 Scum (3 scum come together)


Luna said that he only received 8 submission after I asked him last night when the DP ended. We know that scum definitely made the submission. Why wouldn’t they? That means one townie didn’t. Right now we have 2 people saying they didn’t: Austin and Moozer.
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I am not saying there is confirmation to anything related to the cc but I 1000000 percent get where pie is coming from. I have did live mafia with Luna for ages and when he has made errors he has a major tendacy in those games to try and over correct it so it doesn’t fuck up the game. 
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@Savant
If neither you nor Moozer submitted and both of you are town, then at most 6 town people and 1 scum group submitted. Which would mean at most 7 submissions, but Luna said there were 8. I suspect Luna made a mistake.
Theres no way he did. I literally asked him last night if it should be 9, and he was like nope, only 8 came in
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@whiteflame
Whole lot of WIFOM and this one’s getting specific, since I would have had to plan this early last DP and choose to give this role as my action after seeing it as something town could get this DP.
I mean, you could have given any action today, you didn't have to plan ahead on that. You could have said you got a 1x cop and found someone was innocent. In this case, it was convenient to claim tracker.
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if it’s someone being stupid he doesn’t say anything. If it’s going to later the came heavily. He will try to remedy it. That is like objectively factual. 

Not saying go off it but something is there with those claims or he would not have inserted himself 

He did this in got mafia with that 15 person live game we had and I also think the massive borderlands one 
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I’m considering scumreading Savant off his retardation. It’s not the fact that he’s scumreading me, it’s the god awful logic that comes with it.

My town case for him was centered around a high DP1 effort and now I’m not sure.

Mikal/Savant/Whiteflame

Somewhere in there I think there’s one

I’m going to guess that Austin/Moozer contains the other and as such I wonder if I gave Austin too quick of a pass
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thinking Pje is town rn and I’ll explain why later

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I literally asked him last night if it should be 9, and he was like nope, only 8 came in
Well it clearly wasn't nine, not sure that necessarily confirms it was 8. He probably just remembered that not everyone submitted.
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@Mharman
I’m considering scumreading Savant off his retardation. It’s not the fact that he’s scumreading me, it’s the god awful logic that comes with it.
You claimed a scum aligned role, so I scum read you. How is that retardation?
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The thing about the case on me is that it requires you to interpret everything I’ve done in the worst possible way, all to justify the idea that I’m pushing to throw away scum’s numbers advantage DP1. It’s so retarded
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It’s not only on scum you fucking moron
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I’m gonna just focus hard on my irl job.

I’m crashing out rn
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@Mikal
Is it wrong that in thinking Luna knew scum was about to get yeeted of that and tried to salvage the game? He never does that unless an error happened that was going to cause a major issue 
I think Moozer saw the “town confirmed” and just went for it. Luna realized he accidentally put a cop mechanic and is trying to say he may have “messed up.” I don’t believe that one bit because I literally asked him last night if he was mistaken with the 8 instead of 9
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You both need to stfu.
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I also just had time to scroll back. I don’t love white flame said he confirmed what Ana said she did 



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Yeah 
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Please just don't rush to lynch anyone. I feel like we have enough info to catch scum, but we need to talk things over.
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Right now, from my point of view, I'm being forced into a 1v1 with someone who is literally copped town and has zero reason to be lying here. I think I have good reason to be distrustful of that 1v1 because it's an easy way to line up two mislynches back-to-back and put us in LYLO if Moozer is also town.

I need to ask Luna some questions real quick, but right now, I'm more inclined to say something got messed up with mechanics than that Moozer, who is copped town, decided to CC me for fun and profit. Same thing applies for me here - I have no reason to claim that I didn't submit when if I was scum, that would force a CC when I'm already in a good position here. So that's why I'm fairly skeptical of the situation rn.

But yeah, I need to ask Luna something.
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@ILikePie5
Moozer is copped town and had no reason to lie for town cred when they could easily be cc'd.
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@ILikePie5
I think Moozer saw the “town confirmed” and just went for it. Luna realized he accidentally put a cop mechanic and is trying to say he may have “messed up.” I don’t believe that one bit because I literally asked him last night if he was mistaken with the 8 instead of 9
Idk, if Moozer is scum, why does he try to double confirm himself and get in a CC with me when he's already been somehow copped town? I don't think he didn't see my claim, it would be supreme stupidity to claim it blind without seeing if someone else had claimed it first.

And the thing is, I'm a uniquely bad person to CC against, because I literally have the Town Gladiator role, so if I wanted to (which I'm not going to do right now) I could force a 1v1 vs Moozer and have a 50% chance of winning via the survey mechanic if I was in danger of being lynched over him.

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@Mikal
I also just had time to scroll back. I don’t love white flame said he confirmed what Ana said she did 
I think Moozer is scum and just messed up. And that means Earth is probably scum as well. Game solved. Cause if you think about it. If scum got the power, they basically have to say they got the Cop power.

Also did you ever say what your guess was lol. I’m curious 💀
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@AustinL0926
I am not saying it’s a 1v1 

I mentioned above it could also mean you are both town confirmed. But there was a pretty decent mistake there or Luna would not Jump in. He doesn’t do that normally. 



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@Savant
Please just don't rush to lynch anyone. I feel like we have enough info to catch scum, but we need to talk things over.
We’re not. We still need to say the list of names
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I guessed lie detector 
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@Savant
I mean, you could have given any action today, you didn't have to plan ahead on that. You could have said you got a 1x cop and found someone was innocent. In this case, it was convenient to claim tracker.
So… convenience of the claim makes it scummy? I’m sincerely trying to understand this read, dude, because all I’m seeing is a list of possible ways I might have claimed this as scum, all of which are just spitballing with a number of built in assumptions about a fake role claim, a prepped restriction way ahead of time, and using it at this exact moment just to townread the actions of another player already under the spotlight. Is it possible? Sure. Is it likely that all this just happened to coalesce into a moment just so I could… confirm the actions of other player in PoE? I guess. Doesn't seem like it accomplishes much for me and puts me in a situation where I could easily be CC’d and disproven by other roles, but I guess it’s possible I masterminded all this just to gain some nonexistent towncred. 
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@Savant
Moozer is copped town and had no reason to lie for town cred when they could easily be cc'd.
Theres no guarantee that Moozer is town though. Scum have the exact same incentive to claim they got the Cop if they truly got it
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@Mikal
I mentioned above it could also mean you are both town confirmed. But there was a pretty decent mistake there or Luna would not Jump in. He doesn’t do that normally. 
True. Idk, you know Lunatic better than I do, does him telling us not to read into mean that it's more likely that we caught scum, or that we're about to incorrectly lynch within two townies?
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I think it is just Earth, Moozer, Wylted. Explains the shitty fake claim that Wylted used. Moozer is probably a scum popular and Earth used the fake claim
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I also just had time to scroll back. I don’t love white flame said he confirmed what Ana said she did 
I targeted Banana because, after going back through the entire DP, I realized I couldn't cleanly place her in either camp. A large part of the reason for that was just reading through some of your later posts on her, so she probably wouldn't even have been my target without your input. I could only choose the target, not the result of the action. I get that you scumread Banana and I chose her for that very reason.

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@AustinL0926
It could mean we are about to lynch a townie or scum fucked up based off the info he gave. It’s hard to know. 

the reason I mentioned scum was because he hardly ever interferes in games like that 


I think there are other to things to look at going on around this but I do think there is some odd shit there or we would not have felt inclined to jump in.