We have been rained upon over the past decades, long before even JoeBiden was a discussion point at national political level among the progressive woke, with claims by Democrats that they enjoy a more elite status having been educated in blue states. I was educated in a blue state. I was also educated in a red state. Only, that was one state. The state was CA, whose identity as "elite" has lost its luster. So, I inquired of Duck-Duck [I've abandoned Google ever since it declared that AI is its new search engine brain] why Democrats think their education is superior [sorry, "elite" ] and was given a website declaring a Joshua Zingher. Never heard of him. "I am a scholar of elections and political behavior, with a particular focus on race, class, and identity" is the response by instruction from the man, himself. Yeah, that sounds elite alright. The very words I have come to understand are the hot-buttons of today's Democrats duped by JoeBiden, who claim he was totally not the derelict he was claimed to be by his political rivals. Yeah, as if his claim in 2019, launching his presidential campaign, that he was "running for US Senate" was not an obvious tilt to dereliction. He said it multiple times, so it was not a Freudian slip. Thus, according to Zingher, the diploma divide, only, he's still of the opinion it is a conservative problem.Yeah, that's surely a divide, right between the brain.
Explaining the diploma divide
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"I love the poorly educated." - Donald Trump
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@Sidewalker
I love the poorly indoctrinated as well. Preferably ones that don't ask for 100k loan forgiveness for being retarded enough to do that for a piece of useless paper.
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@Greyparrot
100k is enough to start a buisness.
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@Greyparrot
I agree with the premise but not the insulting judgement of the students.
Let's not forget that we're talking about children being groomed. Everyone told them the same thing.
The only thing they really should be smart enough to do is realize that if they were lied to about the value of "higher education", they were also lied to about who is to blame.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Let's not forget that we're talking about children being groomed. Everyone told them the same thing.
I have never once told my graduating seniors this year that anything other than an extremely affordable local community college or any trade school were viable continuing education plans in 2025. It helps me sleep very well knowing my sabot is in the gears of the machine.
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@Greyparrot
You aren't representative of the combined advise of family, advisors, most teachers, all media from 1955 to 2012.
Yea people are noticing, here, at the ending of all things (in frodo's voice); but that doesn't change the fact that at least five classes (years) of graduates were absolutely screwed by student loans and more like 20 years of graduates were moderately screwed.
And that's not even counting the ones who didn't make it out with a working brain.
They were programmed to think not going to college was what losers did, and as much as I can admire a young person who can cut through the coherent bullshit of parents, teachers, AND TV; it's not a fair test of 'retardation'.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Here’s the core philosophical take on 1959 Starship Trooperism:
Citizenship must be earned.
In Heinlein’s world, not everyone gets to vote. Only those who have completed federal service, usually military, but not always, earn the right to participate in democracy. Why? Because Heinlein argues that only those willing to sacrifice for society can be trusted to shape its future. He’s pushing a merit-based civic responsibility model. And service means volunteering for underpaid positions for the good of the country.
Violence is the ultimate authority.
Heinlein challenges the idea that peace exists independently of it. He’s saying: without the will and ability to defend values, those values are just words. No right can exist without the force to back it up.
Moral development through discipline and hardship.
The book is all about the idea that individual growth requires struggle. Rico goes from a soft, privileged teen to a hardened leader, not because he was told to grow up, but because the system forced him to earn it, inch by inch. Heinlein believes that democracy without duty devolves into entitlement and decay.
Civic virtue beats individualism.
Service is portrayed as noble, not just useful. The state doesn’t demand obedience; it invites and rewards voluntary sacrifice.
Starship Trooperism rests on the belief that democracy can only function in a moral society, and that morality isn’t innate, it’s forged through duty. By requiring voluntary service, often difficult and unrewarded, this system filters out self-interest and cultivates citizens who have proven they can place the common good above personal gain. It ensures the survival of not just democracy (which the founding fathers feared would devolve into a lazy and evil mob) but the nation and society as a whole.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I would think, at the very least, voting rights should follow a minimum of 10% taxation into the machine. A vote cast without investment is no more meaningful than a child’s vote on national survival, and we presently have no issue ignoring the will of children when it comes to serious decisions (sans gender sheep states). If you are poor and you want to vote, make the required sacrifice. If you can't or won't sacrifice, the state will treat you as a ward for the survival of both you and the nation.
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@Greyparrot
I would think, at the very least, voting rights should follow a minimum of 10% taxation into the machine
I agree that political power should be weighted in favor of those who have a proven investment in the success of the system.
However, in my ideal government those without money never get to spend the money of others unless without consent. That sufficiently weights the legitimate say of producers in the system and it is the least arbitrary way to do so.
It's also a very difficult thing to corrupt, unlike a limited voting franchise. For the same reason wise people have been against the idea that felons can't vote for a long time. Why? Well the existing government decides who felons are without only a little help needed from some loyalist in a jury.
If the existing government can prevent you from voting by making you a felon, a sufficiently corrupt government will do that.
This went from theoretical to real from 2020 to present when they tried to use criminal and civil law which they had the power to mutilate and misinterpret to subvert an election.
If you let them deny people the right to vote because of insufficient contributions, and they have the power to make you poor by stealing your money and giving it to their supporters, what is the end result of that?
The general franchise should be to determine what the laws are, not how things are paid for. As for whether that should be limited by service, I am not certain but I am open to discussing it.
In my mind the appropriate role of a legislator (and those who empower them if applicable) is to follow a patter of objective social morality laid out in a constitution. I am not looking for innovators or sacrificers, I'm looking for what judges should be. Logical thinkers committed to principle.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
and they have the power to make you poor by stealing your money and giving it to their supporters, what is the end result of that?
If they are not sacrificing by paying taxes, no theft can occur. Those people are justly wards of a benevolent state overseen by those who have sacrificed to ensure benevolent support for wards.
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@Greyparrot
I don't like the sound of that. I read the book BTW, interesting ideas; but if you think it's ready to be copy pasted into reality you really need to think about it harder.Those people are justly wards of a benevolent state.
Trying to select better leaders, and that is what biasing the voting base towards public good theoretically does, may be some bonus resistance to corruption.
Allowing a group to self-select and to steal is such a massive corrupter that it would outweigh the above bonus by a thousand times.
A "History and Moral philosophy" instructor in the Army says "personal freedom for all is greatest in history, laws are few, taxes are low, living standards are as high as productivity permits, crime is at its lowest ebb."
"laws are few and taxes are low" would be the farthest thing from the reality. Just imagine it like this, what if Gavin Newsom decided what constituted sacrifice?
What if it was the trauma of listening to the "white supremacist" Jordon Peterson while protesting.
Even if it was legitimately dangerous, do you think that guarantees wisdom or sound moral government? The Red Army of the soviet union or the waffen SS were filled with very brave people. They would take everything you had and then kill you if you complained.
Starship troopers identifies a problem, but it's solution only works if that is the only problem it is certainly is not.
It's not just formal education. Democrats are more prone to being higher information voters. They know more details about what's at stake and know more about governance and civics 101. They're basically more educated, yet that doesn't mean just formal education.
Our education system is broken and corrupt. The best way to reform it is through outlawing student loans and requiring students to pay back the government for financing their education, at 10 percent or less of their income for 10 years. Subjecting all players of education to market forces that cap possible damage to students, is good for everyone
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@n8nrgim
Democrats are more prone to being higher information voters.
What is the effect of too much information?
It's most certainly not the same as an educated person. High information is as useless as a 2025 diploma.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Allowing a group to self-select and to steal...
Again, no theft can occur if said person sacrifices nothing. Your fears are unfounded. Yes, entitlements will be scaled down to an affordable level, but that's nothing to get worked up about. It's hardly a slippery slope to internment camps. Especially when those people are armed.
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@n8nrgim
That has not been my experience.They know more details about what's at stake
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@Greyparrot
You can't tax the 'civilians'?Allowing a group to self-select and to steal...Again, no theft can occur if said person sacrifices nothing.
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@Greyparrot
I love the poorly indoctrinated as well. Preferably ones that don't ask for 100k loan forgiveness for being retarded enough to do that for a piece of useless paper.
LOL, yes, the MAGA chant, education bad, science bad, facts bad, law and order bad, we don't need all that stuff, we have conspiracy theories.
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@Sidewalker
Lol, someone hates America and being debt-free.
And possibly, public libraries?
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@Sidewalker
Don't forget, Christley's in jail bad.
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@Greyparrot
Lol, someone hates America and being debt-free.
Yes, being poorly educated is true American, and it eliminates debt too. You guys should declare war on Harvard...oh wait, you already did.
And possibly, public libraries?
MAGA guys don't go to public libraries because they don't even have a conspiracy theory section.
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@Greyparrot
The XXIVth amendment (1964) and SCOTUS already determined long ago that having to pay for the privilege to vote is unconstitutional. Harper v. VA Bd of Elections (1966).
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@FLRW
Don't forget, Christley's in jail bad.
Kidnapping Democratic Governors good.
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@FLRW
Don't forget, Christley's in jail bad.
Kidnapping Democratic Governors good.
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@Greyparrot
Starship Trooperism rests on the belief that democracy can only function in a moral society, and that morality isn’t innate, it’s forged through duty. By requiring voluntary service, often difficult and unrewarded, this system filters out self-interest and cultivates citizens who have proven they can place the common good above personal gain. It ensures the survival of not just democracy (which the founding fathers feared would devolve into a lazy and evil mob) but the nation and society as a whole.
Hence why I see Catholicism as actually left wing on balance. I see right wing as evil and atheistic no matter how much the religious vs atheist divide tells otherwise.