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Hello friends.

DebateArt’s domain name expires in July. With the owner no longer present there are serious questions as to whether or not the website is going to be renewed. In addition there are features that are currently broken that needs to be fixed. 

The mod team has decided to create a brand new community. We would like to get user input and start the development process. If you have any programming experience please contact me. 

I have a vision of something’s that I’d really love to have in a community. These include creating micro blogs and media posts, team debates, and groups. 

If you want to join this project please DM me. 

Edit: New Moderator is 

Welcome AdaptableRatman to the moderation team!

After considerable discussion, we’ve decided to welcome AdaptableRatman (AR, formerly known as RationalMadman) to the team as a trial moderator.
We understand this is a decision that may spark strong opinions. AR has long been one of the most active, passionate, and—at times—divisive members of our community. But what cannot be denied is his dedication. At a time when our current moderation team has faced limited availability due to outside responsibilities, we believe this addition will help improve our presence and responsiveness across the site.

That said, this transition does come with some logistical caveats. As many of you know, DebateArt has been navigating a period of uncertainty in the absence of our administrator, Mike. Because of this, AR cannot immediately be granted backend moderator access. In the interim, he will join our internal moderation discussions on Discord and act with full authority on moderation matters, with the support of the team.

If Mike remains unavailable, Barney will take the unconventional step of sharing his account and therefore moderation access with AR, ensuring he has the tools needed to fulfill the role. Please note: all major actions—such as removing detailed votes, restricting privileges, or issuing bans against real users—will continue to be made collectively by the moderation team, not unilaterally.

We thank AdaptableRatman not only for his willingness to serve in this capacity, but for his unwavering commitment to this site over the years. No other member has shown the same level of persistence, passion, and presence across DebateArt’s many ups and downs. In many ways, this is a long-overdue recognition of the role he has already played in shaping the community. We ask everyone to approach this transition in good faith. As always, our goal remains the same: to foster a fair, active, and engaging platform for debate.
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If you have any programming experience please contact me.
No. Use AI. It makes programming much faster, so I heard.

We would like to get user input and start the development process.
Make sure that site has forum first shown. When new users register, they should be taken to forum. Not to debate section. Make site forum oriented. As for rating system, better dont have it. Nor voting system either. It will not only save you bunch of time, but users will feel more comfortable with debating then. These are just my ideas now, but yeah, common reason for leaving site is losing a debate.
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DebateArt’s domain name expires in July. With the owner no longer present there are serious questions as to whether or not the website is going to be renewed
Isnt there a way to contact owner? I kinda doubt debate art will disappear, because if owner wanted to shut it down, he would shut it down by now. Running a site is an expense for him even if he isnt on it.

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So is it probable or likely that this site and its content will be deleted for good? 

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Unless the domain is somehow renewed then yes. I want to try and preserve as much of it as possible. 
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Are you still able to get in touch with the owner? If someone bought it, how much would it cost annually to maintain the domain?
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I’ve tried messaging the owner on here. Unfortunately I could find him on telegram either. I am not sure the exact cost. My current plan is to buy a new domain and get the new community started and live before 7:15 (when the domain expires). Once the domain is up for sale I’ll buy the debateart name and point it to the new site. 

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This is exciting. By the way, good to see you’re back. I came back a couple of months ago after a few years’ hiatus, Glad to see the site name would be retained. Question: relative to stats we’ve individually acquired, would we keep them or would continuing members start from scratch and re-register? How about former members who were banned for life? Any graphic design or illustration needs, I’d be glad to contribute my time to help.
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@David
The mod team has decided to create a brand new community. We would like to get user input and start the development process. If you have any programming experience please contact me. 
I have programming experience ( a lot ) and my experience tells me that the owner being the programmer is just about the only way this kind of thing is going to work.

If there is a 15k annual income (for whatever reason) you can just barely afford pay for per change contract work.


There are a few other options:

1.) Use an off the shelf system and don't mess with it

2.) Fork an open source codebase and commit yourself to understanding the open source contributions (pull requests). Do not underestimate the difficulty of automatically deploying a new codebase.


I repeat: Do not let it become the personal project of a single (unpaid) volunteer. That kind of thing destroys friendships. It's thousands of man hours of work.


Unless the domain is somehow renewed then yes. I want to try and preserve as much of it as possible.
If the site hasn't been crawler proofed it can all be saved without inside access.

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The site will be created from scratch so most of the content would be wiped clean and would have to start a new. 

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I repeat: Do not let it become the personal project of a single (unpaid) volunteer. That kind of thing destroys friendships. It's thousands of man hours of work.

Very true. And this is what I’m afraid of happening as I have no programming experience whatsoever and don’t have $15k to put down on a new website. We do have some volunteer programmers already and we should have v 1.0 ready soon. 


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By the way, I have a problem in debate that has affected me since my return. I cannot enter debate arguments in any sargument field in rounds, I must enter them in comments, and that is a hassle for everybody participating because my rounds automatically forfeit, so I do not debate much. So far, it cannot be resolved. I bought another iMac just before coming back and I am suspicious that my os has a conflict, but all other features of the site are usable. Weird, huh?
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Interesting. Can you send me a screenshot of what is happening? 

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I'll send you a page of a current debate in voting now, #6061 The Tariffs imposed by Trump in his second term have had a negative effect on our economy so far.
Nothing to see, since the argument fields are blank with a forfeit notice,s but I posted the arguments for each round in Comments.
I can see the argument field, but when  I click in it, nothing happens and no entry can be made. Comments in debate worths, as do all functions of forum and leaderboard
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So can’t we just the claim the site if he doesn’t renew it
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So can’t we just the claim the site if he doesn’t renew it
You can claim the domain, but that doesn't get you the source code or data.

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So it appears there is a way to have an anonymous github contribution:


Not sure if it still works, normally people don't like that sort of thing because of the troll DDOS type problem.
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I am grateful for this opportunity and intend to serve the Lord, DART and each member. I will fail, I am a sinner and yet I have been forgiven to grant me this chance.

I shall not let you down.

This is the dawning of a new era. Justice will be brought. Scum will be dealt with and hopefully reformed. We shall be proud to show our family and friends IRL that we are DARTers.


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You will adhere to the rules chosen by the community or your treachery will be the final chapter of this website: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/9127-meep-for-sweeping-code-of-conduct-change
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A snowball's chance in hell that this guy's actually RM, but sure. Congrats on the promotion.
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Most unfortunately for yourself, that change gives Mods far more leeway to interpret CoC as they see fit. As you can see my former self opposed it on that reasoning.

You are not in a place to threaten me and if you are, steps will be taken. I have no idea what this means:
or your treachery will be the final chapter of this website:
But let me be crystal clear, I do not care at all what you think on this matter. Not one iota. There is a reason you sit behind TOR or something akin to it and think you are free to promote bestiality. That reason is the same reason you feel the need to threaten me here.

I am not some pushover. If you keep threatening me or any user implicitly like that, I can assure you action will be taken. I can openly talk that way now.
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Please join the development team if you're willing to dedicate an hour or two to learning Node.js. I already got the new site started, but it should go faster and be more sustainable with more people contributing.
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If you're interested in joining:

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What makes you doubt it?
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I will DM you about it.

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Is this post a comment or a post? Okay it's a comment. Then how do I make separate forums posts here?
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Please join the development team if you're willing to dedicate an hour or two to learning Node.js.
I've already invested (against my will) about a hundred hours using Node.js.



If you're interested in joining:

Here is where my anonymity handicaps me, I can't do anything that can't be done behind a proxy shield. I always knew that would make it hard to contribute to a code project, and unfortunately this community is small enough that I can't come in as my real identity to help either.

It's possible I could help IF you guys put it on github, and I'm not 100% sure about that.

There may also be ways for live messaging, but generally speaking it would be more trouble than it is worth during dynamic development phases.

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It's possible I could help IF you guys put it on github, and I'm not 100% sure about that.
It's on github already. I can add you as a collaborator if you give me your username.
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Until this thread, there was nothing whatsoever about the way he acted that screamed RM. Plus, he'd not only have to change religions but also his standard-ish liberal politics for hyperreactionary monarchism. As someone who once pretended to be him for troll purposes way back in the day on DDO, it's not hard for me to imagine someone else impersonating him either.

Plus, over DMs I asked him a question he would probably remember the answer to were he RM, and I've yet to get a response several minutes later.
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If he's RM, he should be able to reopen his old account just for a bit. Or message me on discord. But I'm not that invested in proving one way or the other.