What I don't like about our society

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What sucks about this society is if I were to say, "The JEWS are responsible for .... ", then most people have no idea what the "...." is and they automatically assume it's anti semetic.

If the .... is, "drinking Christian blood", then it IS anti sematic and it should be condemned by everybody.  If it's, "creating a very vanilla culture in American society and they should make America less vanilla because vanilla culture is bad for society", then that's not the same as being pro Holocaust at all.  It's merely constructive criticism.

Jews do in fact run the media (they earned it, it's not bad to control the media, but they should do a better job).  Make the media less vanilla.  I get that they are from Germany (where people aren't funny), but it was Hitler (an anti funny German guy) that did the Holocaust, not comedians.

But people jump to conclusions when they're vanilla.  It's low IQ behavior and it needs to change.  You can listen to anybody without agreeing with what they say.
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I am speaking as a moderator here (check announcements)

ALL READ CAREFULLY BEFORE REPLYING.

The conversation can continue if you give evidence to the claim that group-X runs the media and not 1 more mention of Hitler or Nazis in this thread. Also do not degrade Germans.

Have you understood, Remy?
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Anyone disobeying the command not to mention Hitler or Nazis for this thread will get formally warned.
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The conversation can continue if you give evidence to the claim that group-X runs the media
If I were to say a statement like, "Republicans run TX", then it doesn't mean tens of millions of people sit in the Austin Capital building; it merely means that the people in power in TX are disproportionally republican.


So the vast majority of Jews aren't influencing media; but most of the media influence is by Jews.

Now, I don't hate them for this, BUT with power comes the responsibility to use it well.  I can give constructive criticism to the people in power.

Why are you basically preventing me from talking about certain subjects?  I'm not advocating for some massive genocide and I condemn the people who do.  You need to be thicker skinned.  Catholics are thin skinned as hell (and it's a problem that they need to change about themselves).
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Thank you for listening.
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Are you going to rebut what I said, are you going to concede, ignore, lock the thread, or are you going to label me an anti semite like a mad man?
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You listened, I thanked you. We move on.
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Alright.
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Dude, there's no violent incitement here. Let it go.

I get that this sort of content makes DART unappetizing to outsiders, but even in its heyday where more moderate discussion prevailed this site was never bringing in a steady influx of genuine newcomers (re: who had no prior connection to debate.org). All this space, and its proposed successor, really has going for it is the long-timers who've been autistically rehashing the same arguments for 10 years, and then once in a full moon someone like Best Korea who's just as unhinged as they (we) are. If you drive off those people through overmoderation, what will remain?

We can't realistically compete with Internet 3.0, like Reddit or whatnot. The one and only thing we can do is play to the strengths of Internet 2.0. And by strength, I mean the fact that Internet 2.0 was a golden age of free speech and free expression, something that promised to push the boundaries of man and his civil liberties; the product of a gentler age where the Western Left still believed in these values. In contrast, Internet 3.0 is an illiberal cesspit of heavyhanded censorship. It seems like every Reddit page, no matter the topic, has the same copy-pasted rules against "hate speech" and "bigotry" (narrowly defined as the right tribe criticizing those demographics favored by the left tribe and never the other way around, but I digress).

That DART is a surviving bastion of Internet 2.0, that it stubbornly flies the old flag of the enlightenment long after popular sentiment has turned against enlightenment values, is something to take pride in, not be ashamed of.  That's not to say we ought to be proud of the ravings of users like the OP, but we should be proud that the right of users like the OP to say their piece is respected here. This was something we all took for granted until the minute you signed on as moderator. But you are still very early into your tenure, and still have ample time to leave a good legacy instead of a bad one.

Seriously, just let it go.
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Now, spamming is a perfectly fine reason to step in. But that wasn't what was cited here.
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Anyone disobeying the command not to mention Hitler or Nazis for this thread will get formally warned.
So, mentioning Adolf Hitler is strictly verboten?


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You are warned. If you do again I ask other mods to handle.
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So, mentioning (censored) is strictly
You were warned now. Tremble before my censorship.
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You are warned. If you do again I ask other mods to handle.
Jawohl Mein Commandant!
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Moderation Team: since Ratman is compiling a list of banned words for the site, I think you should modify the Code of Conduct to include the list of which words Ratman does not allow on the site. 

Ratman's proclamation doesn't effectively disseminate the list of banned words to all members; it needs to be referenceable in the COC to ensure all members are aware.
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Hitler and Nazis can be used in debate about them. They should not appear in a debate about Jews owning the media.

There is a blatant reason why both sides of this debate should not begin to go into Nazi topic.
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For the time being, I'm tabling the discussion of what moderation (if any) will be applied to this thread. The mod team will discuss this further separately and I will clarify what we determine after that discussion.
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Hitler and Nazis can be used in debate about them. They should not appear in a debate about Jews owning the media.

There is a blatant reason why both sides of this debate should not begin to go into Nazi topic.
Moderation Team:  Ratman's "clarification" only complicates the matter, in the interest of dissemination to our members, I still see a need to reference the list of banned words, but it is complicated by the fact that it only applies to some debates but not others. I suppose it will also be necessary to list the specific types of debates in which the words are banned by Ratman, and if it is simply a matter of Ratman's discretion, then the CoC should provide some indication as to how he arrives at his site restrictions.

Ratman has also proclaimed that he is disallowing the representation of certain historical figures in a person's avatar, we should also include a list of acceptable historical images, Stalin killed more Jews than Hitler, he should be included in the list, and in consideration of the Catholic Churches central role in the historical development and sustaining of Antisemitism, with their history of violent repression, pogroms, and inquisitions that targeted Jews with confinement to dungeons,physical abuse, torture and murder of Jews through strangulation or burning at the stake.  I would suggest there are multiple Popes, such as PopeSixtus IV, Pope Pius IX and several others.



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Hitler and Nazis can be used in debate about them. They should not appear in a debate about Jews owning the media.
OK, so we can debate about Hitler and Nazis, but it cannot include reference to Jews?  That should make for some Felliniesque debates.

How about the Catholic Church, considering the central role the Catholic Church played in making the Holocaust possible, is it fair to say the Catholic Church also should not be mentioned in a debate about Jews owning the media?

There is a blatant reason why both sides of this debate should not begin to go into Nazi topic.
Pay attention Pumpkin, there aren’t two sides to this debate, there’s just a whack job ranting nonsense, and you bringing undeserved attention to it.


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Soon the rules here will shift and you will be dealt with for this open violation and disrespect. I have already told the others mods this is their issue to take over now.
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How about the Catholic Church, considering the central role the Catholic Church played in making the Holocaust possible, is it fair to say the Catholic Church also should not be mentioned in a debate about Jews owning the media?
Search catholic vs prot vote split. Then search Cathlic Churchs relationship with the leaders in that entire time.

You are sla dering a faith with literal falsehood rn.
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It's late and I'm hopping off for the night. For now, suffice it to say that we will have further discussion of some of the issues that AdaptableRatman has raised, but the requirements he set for discussion, including abstention from using the proper nouns "Hitler" and "Nazis" as well as requirements for evidence to post claims like this are on hold.
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Soon the rules here will shift and you will be dealt with for this open violation and disrespect.
Please reference the exactly how I violated the CoC and then show me where it says we have to have respect for a whack job that has let the power of "moderation" go to his head.  
I have already told the others mods this is their issue to take over now.
OK, they can take your nonsense seriously if they want, I think you are a joke.  


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To all others, it is highly recommended that you do not follow suit of this abusive troll and instead respectfully stick to the topic of the thread which seems to be who controls the media and some sort of double standard with what racism is counted as.

The topic of the thread is not Nazis nor Hitler. I recommend to all to obey me here. I am a moderator now. Just because Sidewalker is getting away with it for now does not mean you need to follow suit.
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It's late and I'm hopping off for the night. For now, suffice it to say that we will have further discussion of some of the issues that AdaptableRatman has raised, but the requirements he set for discussion, including abstention from using the proper nouns "Hitler" and "Nazis" as well as requirements for evidence to post claims like this are on hold.
I look forward to an explanation as to how the question "So, mentioning Adolf Hitler is strictly verboten?" violates the CoC, is it hate speech, am I inciting something, the only thing I think I have violated is Ratman's totalitarian attitude towards moderation, and I don't see anything in the CoC requiring an obsequious response to Ratman's bloated ego.  
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I feel OP is slightly wrong here.
We should despise evil people like Hitler and the nazis, but usually anyone that begins statements like the choice of words Remy is using, are being anti-semitic.
The schema applies here regardless, even if Remy's case is the exception. 
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I feel OP is slightly wrong here.
We should despise evil people like Hitler and the nazis, but usually anyone that begins statements like the choice of words Remy is using, are being anti-semitic.
The schema applies here regardless, even if Remy's case is the exception.
No question that Remy is an antisemitic asshole, nobody takes him seriously, if you can't handle seeing prejudice and hatred, you should not be on the internet (or watch the news for that matter). Ratman is just creating drama where there isn't any, drunk with the power of moderation LOL.. 

There will always be a lot of prejudice on these boards, Remy is a whack job antisemitic, so what, Ratman is virulently Islamophobic, so what, haters gonna hate, haters gonna be on the internet, it is what it is, we just can't let them matter.  
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For now, suffice it to say that we will have further discussion of some of the issues that AdaptableRatman has raised, but the requirements he set for discussion, including abstention from using the proper nouns "Hitler" and "Nazis" as well as requirements for evidence to post claims like this are on hold.
Absurd.

These requirements should be thrown in the trash.
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Adolph Hitler played a key role in defining the 20th Century.

And Nazis has a become a latter day misinterpretation, of a 1930's and 40's German political organisation.


From where do you get the authority, to erase a 100 years of recent history?