Voter Fraud in Texas

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The Texan government has discovered 95,000 persons registered to vote in that state who might not be citizens. Of these, roughly 58,000 have voted in at least one election from 1996 to 2018.
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There are many good reasons to be highly skeptical of this factoid.

* Trump retweeted this morning, which is all by itself a fairly reliable bullshit alarm.

* The same office has been ruled to be in willful violation of Federal Voting Rights Act 4 times in the last 14 months and was shown to be deliberately targeting Black & Hispanic citizens.

* Sec of State Whitley advises that the list is a compilation of currently registered voters who presented evidence of legal US residency to the DMV at least once.  About 50,000 legal residents in Texas become US citizens each year- almost all of whom likely got a State ID card before becoming citizens.  Over the course of 22 years, we should expect Whitley's list to contain something closer to 1 million names but the Sec of State's office has winnowed that list down to a tenth of that number.  Using what methodology?  The Sec of State won't say but I think its safe to assume given Texas' present track record that the list is heavy on Manuels and Mohammeds and light on Svens and Borises.  Essentially, the Sec of State has created a list of likely democratic voters and has invited registrars to revisit their citizenship.  Some percentage will inevitably miss or ignore the demand to prove citizenship within 30 days and thereby likely prevented from voting next time around.  Whitley himself advises registrars that his office has not performed any investigation of these 95,000 and characterizes the list as WEAK name matches (emphasis Whitley). That is, a guy named Juan Castro who voted in 2016 may or may not be a Juan Castro who got a driver's license using proof of legal residency in 1998- Whitley hasn't checked himself but registrars should feel free to drop this Juan from the voting rolls if he doesn't respond within 30 days.

* It is possible that of the 58,000 some non-citizens will be found to have voted but not likely and certainly not in the ten of thousands, or even the thousands or even the hundreds.  Ten?  Almost certainly not.  The University of Texas surveyed Texan registrars from 2000 to 2010 and found 10 credible claims of voter fraud less: than an average of one per election and none implicated non-citizens.  The Texas AG has prosecuted 130 cases of voter fraud since 2005 but has only secured 3 convictions- one of which was a non-citizen.  Doesn't that 97.7% failure rate suggest that Texas has major dysfunction when identifying voter fraud?  Why are we even paying attention to a source that gets it wrong so consistently?  Let's remember that this is the Texas AG who was indicted for felony fraud in 2015 and still manages to have no trial date set, 3 1/2 years later.  If you're looking for corruption in Texas, why not start with the top?

But think on it- the State of Texas and the President of the United States have blithely accused 58,000 citizens of a crime with a potential sentence of up to 20 years without even really trying to assemble evidence or caring that we know that they're, at best, exagerating by 4 or 5 orders of magnitude.  And by the time it gets to Fox the headline is little more than "voter fraud in Texas, folks, oh god look at these numbers." knowing the principle effect is entirely distorted, pretending at false problems to forestall responsible governance. 

Oh well, now I'm just getting disgusted.  Thx, Swag, anyway for sharing.

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It's an ongoing investigation. Hold your outrage.
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I see no evidence of an investigation at all- just another corrupt politician with another list of political enemies.

Texas was found guilty last year of stripping US citizens of their voting rights because they didn't like those voters' shade of brown.  The Attorney General was arrested nearly four years ago and is still dodging judge and jury. Those facts aren't pending any investigation. I am concerned at the blatant, unapologetic, and unchecked nature of Texan corruption, as would be any American citizen worthy of the franchise.
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Most Liberals only care about voter fraud in 1. Red States and 2. When the "victims" are illegals. 
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Most Liberals only care about voter fraud in 1. Red States and 2. When the "victims" are illegals. 
Liberalism is the political philosophy of human equality and suffrage.  The American Revolution was an explicitly liberal assumption of power codified in the first words of the first American act: all men are created equal.  All Americans who swear an oath to uphold the US Constitution are Liberals by definition and sworn intent (whether or not they understand the meaning of the word).
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Said a bunch of guys who owned other human beings. The rest of your post is just bigotry.
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Youre confusing 18th century democrats with liberals.

Unfortunately at this point up the democrats were the Conservative party, and the republicans were the liberal party.

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No but keep lying. 
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No but keep lying. 

Actually yes. I’m assuming you’re just ignorant rather than outright stupid, but this is literally a matter of historical fact. The democrats were primarily the conservative ones aspects of race; hence why the south was solid blue until the civil rights era - when disaffected racists jumped from northern democrats - who were becoming much more socially liberal - passed civil rights legislation.

While your angry dismissive posts are mildly entertaining, they are indeed factually inaccurate.
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The comment was about the Founders. You needing to lie about the Founding Fathers is on you 

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Oh sorry, I thought you were just being ignorant, now it appears you’re being obtusely ignorant.

The American revolution, was absolutely based in principles of liberalism, and the founding of the US as a liberal democracy, was easily the most outwardly successful liberal political victory to have been won up to that time.

Of course, society doesn’t become perfect all at once / that requires both liberalism and a little progressivism over time - with the continued reform of society over longer periods of time.

So double wrong.

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So you admit you are a liar. And Jefferson forced a slave to marry and fuck him. Nice guy I bet you have his picture hanging in your bedroom. 
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Nah, don’t be a cretin. I was just giving you the benefit of the doubt that you couldn’t possibly be stupid enough to be making the argument that you were actually making. My bad.

Its kinda funny to watch, really. If you’re not smart enough to be able to separate the validity and benefit abstract ideas from those that make them, and if you’re not clever enough to make a distinction between principles that guide political thought from those that outline them, then I don’t think your clever enough to understand any response. 

Id simply tell you to google “Genetic Fallacy”
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Being a piece of shit still makes you a piece of shit. 
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Well it seems that pointing out your consistent and repeated errors is all that makes me a piece of shit, so I guess I’ll take it!
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I wasn't talking about you self centered idiot. 
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In the middle of all your insults, calling me a liar, an idiot and evil, it’s not particularly clear where your nonsensical diatribes end, and your and hominem nonsense begins.
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Funny you thought you owned slaves. Says something about you. 
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Using your own words “omg evil liar!!” It’s just hard to tell who your insulting, as you tend to do much more of that than you do actual argument.

i mean come on: even the point you were trying to make was pointless. That the founding fathers owned slaves... and? Their achievements were invalid? That America wasn’t founded as a liberal democracy or with liberal principles? That liberals are evil? 

I sont think ecen you you know what your real point is any more - so forgive me for being confused at exactly which person or people you nonsensical decided  to call names.

Perhaps it would be less confusing for everyone if you made a rational argument.


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Perhaps you need to move the fuck on.
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Or perhaps, you should try and make an argument to try and address peoples actual points?
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Perhaps it would be less confusing for everyone if you made a rational argument.
Trumpanzee making a rational, logical common sense comments is not likely, 90% of the time.

Most have sincere lack of moral integriy, and some like P-Witch also lack intellectual integrity. 

So -5 or rmoral integrity.

-5 on intellectual integrity.

-10 Total for P-Witch.  The question now becomes should a moderator{ manager/supervisor } be contacted.


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This isn't about illegals voting. This is the GOP trying to keep blacks out of the voter booths. Studies like these are made and published to foment the fear that non-citizens are voting in elections in order to justify voter ID laws which adversely impact minority voters.
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Why would blacks be scared of hispanics voting for benefits? Oh yeah there is that. Intersectionality wars are very messy.