Why can't I play as evil in games

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Feel a definite inability to go evil, dark side, low honor, what have you.

Oh, I can take Arthur Morgan on a wild rampage through Valentine and then reload. But an evil PLAYTHROUGH, man, I can't do it. Why does it matter to me. These are pixel people. I should be able to go black hat. It's like my brain isn't processing the moral division of reality and simulation. 
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I cant play as good.
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Uncle Ted calls it over socialization. There are some natural human responses to this temptation such as religion  which even has fallen to over socialization to a certain point. You are conditioned to be subordinate to the needs of others, many of who could give a shit less about you. Maybe you are quiet in a theatre out of respect for others but you see others yell chicken jockey or scream "watch out' . You probably feel an urge to agree to help friends when you don't want to, friends who don't feel the same urge by the way. 

This over socialization is going to impede on your happiness and your ability to do what you want in life. Socialization is good but you probably should try to intentionally develop something to combat this. Maybe a strict ethical framework like "I only do stuff that benefits me" and then before you make a decision you tell yourself that phrase. 

This over socialization is so programmed into you that you even use it when controlling pixels on a screen. The good news is you can also practice breaking it with those same pixels 
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Maybe a strict ethical framework like "I only do stuff that benefits me"
"Benefits" has no clear definition. I only do what I actually want.
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for her benefits means whatever leads her to sexual satisfaction, wealth and security
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Maybe one 'wants to be good?
Wants something beautiful?

Lot of achievements I never got in video games, because I don't enjoy being evil.
I gone on some killing sprees in some games, so long as I could save beforehand,

But I don't want to see that evil (Character Name) win the game, he's a boring jerk.
Or even 'watch them for long periods of time,
I wonder if people who enjoy horror movies, villain movies and shows, play villains more in video games.
. . .

I think playing good is often more rewarded by games as well,
The evil options can end up being over the top ham, or remove game content and choices that one 'wanted.
. . .

Some other times, when evil 'is rewarded with XP, items, gold, you don't 'need such to win or be strong in the game.
Evil is a lot more tempting for me in a game when it's vital.

In a spaceship game FTL,
Game can be pretty hard, every bit of money one can get, can be the difference between winning and losing,
I'm more tempted to be evil

Still, I usually don't.

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Uncle Ted calls it over socialization. There are some natural human responses to this temptation such as religion  which even has fallen to over socialization to a certain point. You are conditioned to be subordinate to the needs of others, many of who could give a shit less about you. Maybe you are quiet in a theatre out of respect for others but you see others yell chicken jockey or scream "watch out' . You probably feel an urge to agree to help friends when you don't want to, friends who don't feel the same urge by the way. 

This over socialization is going to impede on your happiness and your ability to do what you want in life. Socialization is good but you probably should try to intentionally develop something to combat this. Maybe a strict ethical framework like "I only do stuff that benefits me" and then before you make a decision you tell yourself that phrase. 

This over socialization is so programmed into you that you even use it when controlling pixels on a screen. The good news is you can also practice breaking it with those same pixels 
Lol, you may have gotten too much right for comfort, actually. I am probably oversocialized. But isn't "I only do what benefits me" the opposite end of the spectrum -- like, going full asshole, where you never do anything to help others and selfishness is your highest value. Idk if I want to suppress my social conditioning to that extent. But maybe you have a point and I could stand to be a bit more balanced... Like if I can't even lower my inhibitions in a game, damn.
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That's definitely been my experience also. It's really difficult to be moral at the expense of significant progress and rewards. An evil achievement is easy to pass up, but phat lootz? Hard. Depends on how evil I have to be to get the phat lootz, though. I couldn't bring myself to join the Dark Brotherhood even though I reeeeaaaally wanted Shadowmere. Killing a rare animal I need to make a quiver that will hold more arrows, though? I find myself doing stuff like that every time.

In a spaceship game FTL,
Game can be pretty hard, every bit of money one can get, can be the difference between winning and losing,
I'm more tempted to be evil
Oof, yeah this must be tempting. Wylted and LucyS would probably hit that without compunction. 

I wonder if people who enjoy horror movies, villain movies and shows, play villains more in video games.
I wonder if people who play evil are in general more able to place self over socialization and people who play good are more prone to place socialization over self.
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I cant play as good.
Why not
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Heh, The Elder Scrolls, games where you can join 'every guild and become 'every highest ranking member.
At least Oblivion and Skyrim, I forget about Morrowind and have never played Elder Scrolls online.

I'd often join them in Oblivion, mechanically fun quests, fun dialogue and characters, jumping roofs, dropping elk heads on old men, good times.
Though I'd feel bad about some of the quests, so it'd usually be a character created 'specifically for 'just playing the Dark Brotherhood.
. . .

I've never played Dungeons and Dragons,
But they have that Alignment Chart,
Probably a lot of players and characters fit into Lawful and Neutral Evil, willing to play nice with their ingroup and fellow players, for the fun and benefits. Socialization there.
Then there's the Chaotic Evil, not as great a fit into a group, I imagine.
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isn't "I only do what benefits me" the opposite end of the spectrum -
At first sure. That's why you see nice guys over correct and turn to dicks but then after the over correction you realize that what benefits you is things like genuine connection or service to others out of an actual shared mission. 

More importantly it really does deepen relationships. As a doormat the people around you always think "does this person really value me or is it only because they are a doormat' its why you see a father who fears the words I love you, also infuses those words with more meaning, because they aren't said out of obligation or because they were guilted into it. They are said for maximum impact because nobody can doubt a man who fears saying them actually believes them when the time comes. 


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Why not
I hate being completely good. It is annoying.
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for her benefits means whatever leads her to sexual satisfaction, wealth and security
So praying to God then.

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The Elder Scrolls
Skyrim is garbage. You have 5 schools of magic there. Your main enemy are dragons. Yet 3 out of 5 magic schools are useless against dragons. Alteration has no any effect on dragons. Illusion has no any effect on dragons. Conjuration only works slightly there, and works against you often too. There are enemies which turn your summoned creatures against you there. Restoration is only good for healing there. Destruction is great, but sadly it is the only magic school which is worth having as a mage in that game.

This is why I prefer Two Worlds. At least in that game, most magic is useful.