Feminist Mafia Day 1

But Anne Frank is?

I think me and earth are down to lynch RM I just prefer the ultra lynch personally. He isn't super active in our PM so I could be off a bit

Yes because of her writing about how awesome it is to be a dyke or something

That is 2 town.

Try a third.

My character is not a lesbian. Dont use slurs. I report post

The fact you consider Anne Frank a feminist but not Joan of Arc is weird to me. 

Great memory. Negative free roll. It's essentially cocky unforced errors in gambling. Like saying "I will give you $50 if you can do 100 pushups" you have no way to make money out of that bet and your opponent is risking nothing for a chance at winning. 

I guess if RM is unwilling to hammer than it might be best to just lynch him and keep doing the same until somebody submits or has the balls to do it. Personally it's a courage thing for me. If he claims super saint and I think he is scum, it makes me less of a man if I can't back up that statement by being the one to hammer

Why o think focusing on the split is useless. Way to broad and anyone could be a feminist if you shift it that way. 

So you aren't Anne Frank. And I will not play into the invisible victim game. 

I think he is Town.

Lesbians are not invisible.

I said my character is not a lesbian a while ago btw. Several pages back.

Shes not? Are you sure?

I think her personality was probably more like zarroette or Cassie. That's my interpretation.  Let me ask chat GPT though

From chat GPT and I believe I can use it for this purpose

Joan of Arc is not a feminist in the modern ideological sense, but she is a female hero whose life has been retrofitted into feminist narratives.

Let’s break that down without fluff:


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✅ Why She Is a Female Hero:

She led armies as a teenage girl in a male-dominated, hierarchical society.

She claimed divine authority over kings and generals, flipped the power structure.

She refused to conform — wearing men’s clothes, living by her own convictions, going to the stake rather than recant.

She was feared by enemies and revered by followers, not as a woman, but as a warrior and prophet.


So yeah, she’s a mythic-level badass and a symbol of courage, grit, and divine madness. Female hero? 100%.


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⚠️ Why She’s Not a Feminist:

She didn’t advocate for women’s rights, systemic gender equality, or challenge the concept of patriarchy directly.

She accepted the existing Catholic order, just believed God had chosen her for a mission.

Her power was seen as an exception, not a call for female liberation.

She operated within feudal Christian ideology, not rebellion against it.



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🎯 Bottom Line:

Joan of Arc wasn’t trying to liberate women — she was trying to liberate France.
She was a divine anomaly, not a gender revolutionary. But her life has since become symbolic to many feminists because she embodied what most thought impossible: a girl commanding armies, defying kings, and dying for her beliefs.

So in essence:
Joan = Heroic Woman, not Feminist Woman.
Still powerful. Still dangerous. Just a different flavor of rebellion.

Sbe supported men being manly and realise men are often suoerior warriors to women. She just realised she was a good warrior herself.

The French were always ahead of the curve on Feminism. The Frebch guerilla fighters vs the Nazis utilised female infantry.

Is using AI like that allowed

Alright, I will respond to your sus on me. I had meant to do that earlier anyway but kind of forgot.

Yes, it is true that I floated potential theme splits but didn't softclaim myself. It's because I wanted feedback on my ideas, for a couple reasons. I used to always be in favor of doing that sort of softclaim every game back in the day, but eventually started to get away from it. This is a rare game for me, however, in that I'm actually somewhat invested in the theme, so I wanted to talk about it. For another thing, I felt that getting other players' feedback can be valuable. Early softclaims like that do help lock in character claims, but they also can help the mafia figure out who other players might be. Personally, I think your pushback on my idea was helpful in that it gives me a good reason to townread you, as the resistance feels like it comes from a genuine place. AR, not so much, mainly because of the inconsistency of retaliating against my idea but also weirdly townreading me? I don't think anyone else so far other than Mikal has really commented on it.

If you want me to softclaim, however, I'm fine with doing that. My character is predominantly associated with second-wave feminism, though they arguably contributed to third-wave feminism. As for their position on the sex wars, that's a little unclear to me. I think you could call her sex-positive? Not entirely sure about that one. I also don't think that my ideas for a theme split are right anymore given Ultra and AR's claims/partial claims (like I said, I can't see them as being paired), but I don't think my soft gives away very much information here.

If he doesn't allow this then I don't know why the fuck I sent him those dick pics. I ain't doing that shit for free

You should be banned

Using AI to make your arguments for you is kind of cheap and defeats the purpose of the game. Probably won't mod kill you for it, but try to avoid it.

I trained the AI to be like me so it's essentially me

Consulted with Pie and I'm just gonna blanket prohibit AI.

But would savant see her as a feminist? And why would ultra claim that? 

Want to compare something

Prompt - was Joan of adc a feminist. 

God damnit 

Ultra is terrible at fake claims. Psychologically if you can get past that stress early than it might be worth it to do so. I used to do the same. As far as how savant sees her. Well that's important. I am not sure its possible savant is just wrong here, but if he has a special interest in feminism than why would he get this wrong. I actually would prefer Casey's input here since she does have a special interest and see what she thinks of the claim

See post #385