Feminist Mafia Day 2

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@whiteflame
I'll just come out and full claim. 

I'm Elizabeth Bernstein. I'm the Jailkeeper. The justification is that she came up with the term "carceral feminism" and has argued against strict punishments for sex workers. I picked WyIted/Earth as my target, which basically confirms that they didn't perform the NK. It was not confirmed that my role was successful, but I'm going to assume it was.

Why did you target wylted?
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Using it to solve. You are town locked for me and if I’m playing bad so be it. 
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I think ultra is scum so I take no issue with being the hammer but earth gets a say as well. 
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@Casey_Risk
Please claim. I’m not drawing this dp out. 


I don’t really care what wf says. He’s prob dying. 

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Elizabeth Bernstein seems to be a complete rando, so the more I think about WF, the more his claim doesn't make sense.

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@Mikal
I have some confirmation of his role given my ability failed are you considering that at all? 
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From a cursory google search I see almost no relation to Bernstein being related to feminism but I havent actually opened a link yet.
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@WyIted
He could be just a straight up roleblocker though. 
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@WyIted
Nope 
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Bernstein is also entrenched in academia and not well known outside of that from what I gather. 
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@WyIted
Not a you thing. Already thought he was scum and now he’s more scummy. 


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I know he could be roleblocker and yes the actress came up for me but there is also a feminist that is like 10 pages back in Google so you have to filter using the word feminest and she seems entrenched in academia and known only to extreme libtards which savant is not as far as I am aware. 
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As soon as Casey posts I’ll end the dp

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Why did you target wylted?
Felt like I didn't have a clear read on him by the end of the DP. It's unusual for WyIted to stay relatively focused on the discussion in DP1 (though AR had an outsized influence on it, so I'm not sure how much that affected him), and I wasn't getting enough off of Earth to make a call on his behavior.

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I understand that I just wanted to make sure you saw the information so you could use it to calculate what you need to
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@WyIted
Yeah if im Wrong I’ll admit I played like shit. I’ve been right the past 3 games and didn’t trust my gut. So going to trust my reads for once 
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@WyIted
I know he could be roleblocker and yes the actress came up for me but there is also a feminist that is like 10 pages back in Google so you have to filter using the word feminest and she seems entrenched in academia and known only to extreme libtards which savant is not as far as I am aware. 
damn you bringing up actress just made it an even harder sell for me, that role is perfect for his character lol
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@Mikal
At this point, I'm just accepting that you're going to kill me based on my Discord activity, so it is what it is. Regardless of the game, my activity on there would be the same, but my statement to that effect last DP doesn't seem to matter so here we are. You run this DP, you make the call, not going to try to convince you.
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@Lunatic
From a cursory google search I see almost no relation to Bernstein being related to feminism but I havent actually opened a link yet.
The PM covers her work with sex workers and efforts to protect them. Don't see how that's unrelated to feminism.

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@whiteflame
That’s fair. It’s more of all 3 


I would discuss the first part but savant has banned me from explaining logic. It’s more than that that

You were already in my Poe 

And I don’t buy a body guard and jail keeper 

To much anti town utility with hated and not to mention a ss 
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Thoughts on wf ?
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Can you explain this post for me? 


"I like seeing all the various theme split ideas from Casey, though I'm going to exercise caution in how far we apply them. It's been a while since I've gone down the theme split rabbit hole, but it often got me lost in the weeds and had me ignoring behavioral reads. There might be some basis for pursuing softclaims as well, but I'm hesitant to narrow the field of character claims early."


I was townreading you so hard last day phase because of this. I thought you were hinting 1. That you had a power role, or 2. That your character made the theme obvious by softing your claim. Considering you usually are a big advocate for the soft claim thing and have started multiple of them as town, I thought you would have had to have a very special or important reason not to in this game, which is why I was sooo convinced you were town.

Your claim doesn't seem extraordinary though in this regard so I can't think of why you would have said this. 
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Thoughts on wf ?
I wanna hear his answer to post 52
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Can you check his reads. On my phone and see if me mentioned wylted at all. 


If wylted is town it was a Poe guess on who had a power role 

If he is scum. Wylted and him are verifying each other. 
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@Mikal
That’s fair. It’s more of all 3 


I would discuss the first part but savant has banned me from explaining logic. It’s more than that that

You were already in my Poe 
We can talk offline about it when you do what you're definitely going to do, but I would eventually like to know where this degree of certainty is coming from regardless.

And I don’t buy a body guard and jail keeper 

To much anti town utility with hated and not to mention a ss 
Fair enough, though I don't think it's unusual to have some form of internal confirmation for town. I'd hesitate to call it "anti town utility" simply because it RB's my target, especially since it could also prevent an NK.

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@whiteflame
Since it’s a huge point. I wish savant would go ahead and allow it but we can circle back at end game. 


It’s just compiling evidence with that being 1/3 reasons. 
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im like 95 percent you are scum and my gut is telling me you and wylted confirmed each other 


But you and wylted 
And you and ultra make sense 


Since we can kill all of you tomorrow. It really doesn’t matter much past that 

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Luna is the only investigative role so I buy it even more. It’s a shitty cop. Balance is prob a bunch of confirmable roles. Super and RM. and they nerfed cop 
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Can you check his reads. On my phone and see if me mentioned wylted at all. 
okay give me a sec im cntrl+f through 30 pages of RM's spam
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Can you explain this post for me? 


"I like seeing all the various theme split ideas from Casey, though I'm going to exercise caution in how far we apply them. It's been a while since I've gone down the theme split rabbit hole, but it often got me lost in the weeds and had me ignoring behavioral reads. There might be some basis for pursuing softclaims as well, but I'm hesitant to narrow the field of character claims early."


I was townreading you so hard last day phase because of this. I thought you were hinting 1. That you had a power role, or 2. That your character made the theme obvious by softing your claim. Considering you usually are a big advocate for the soft claim thing and have started multiple of them as town, I thought you would have had to have a very special or important reason not to in this game, which is why I was sooo convinced you were town.

Your claim doesn't seem extraordinary though in this regard so I can't think of why you would have said this. 
I actually did try to start a softclaim yesterday and said that my character was alive, but that was a separate post.

I didn't love that his softclaim ideas would substantially restrict who each person could be and make it easier for scum to select fake claims based, say, on which wave of feminism they were in. I wasn't implying that my character specifically would give away the theme split, don't think I've ever had a character that would do that. I don't think that post implies a PR, either, but you and I are both pretty familiar with using what we can glean from softclaims to both improve our claims and narrow down what everyone else is. That's what I was implying with that post.