Should wives obey their virtuous husbands?
If you going to marry, take on his last name, you belong to him, represent him, should you honor and obey?
Should wives obey their husbands?
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@Mall
Why doesnt husband obey instead?
One of my friends was talking to an extremely evangelical girl on a dating app and she said she was looking for a husband she can “respect and obey.” stuck with me lol. She ended recognizing his degeneracy just from their conversations and they never met up
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@LucyStarfire
The man is naturally meant to be the head, covering, protector, the hunter. Now he can't achieve these duties if the spouse, not the partner, but the wife is not willing to follow her husband's leadership.
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@Mall
Obviously. Mall is not married.
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@thett3
Paradoxically the guys most eager to take women like this up on their offers are the ones least likely to meet the expectations set for a husband in return.
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@Mall
The man is naturally meant to be the head.
Well, naturally is, as you choose to define it.
Though it could be suggested that "naturally" hominid societies were familial and led by a matriarch.
Where the male considerations were centred around breeding and the maintenance of a tenuous dominance over competing males.
Within this context of "naturally", I would suggest that marriage and the maintenance of a monogamous long term relationship and family, Is a developed social concept and not instinctively natural.
None of which is to say, that this is how I choose to define natural.
Natural is as natural does, is a perfect definition for me, whereby any social development that becomes established, is arrived at naturally.
So for example, in some modern societies, same sex relationships and families are a natural development, and the older style male/female dominance and obeyance system has long since become outdated...Especially in progressive societies where hierarchical influence is centred around intellect rather than physical strength.
Though I think that dominance and obeyance is a generally outdated system, save for in more extremely regressive patriarchal religious communities.
Though it has to be said that strong women have and will always dominate weak men.
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@Swagnarok
Paradoxically the guys most eager to take women like this up on their offers are the ones least likely to meet the expectations set for a husband in return.
Not true.
Women truly want men that are dominant, leaderlike, resilient, reliable etc.
@AdaptableRatman.
Hmmmm.
What women truly want, is perhaps not what they are always given.
Especially in patriarchal communities, where men wrongly assume to know what women truly want...Or just don't want to know.
Thing is these days, especially in progressive societies, wants and desires tend to be driven by intellect rather than hormones and bibles.
Men should make themselves worthy of being obeyed. Also if you are a control freak or the type of person a woman fears obeying you should seek psychological help.
Also despite it being not biblical. If your Iraq is low than you should probably find some smart male advisors to keep around so you aren't guiding your wife with retard logic
I have a better one. Should men obey women?
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@Umbrellacorp
Topic was marriage.
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@AdaptableRatman
Okay. Should husbands obey wives?
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@Umbrellacorp
You are trying to bait us stuff that gets us cancelled these days.
Women are different to men.
Sometimes yes. Less often than the reverse in a healthy marriage.
Don't ask me to elaborate. Go be a pushover, you won't end up with a good wife.
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@AdaptableRatman
Relax! Just trying to get my 25 posts achievement to create topics. Why would i be baiting you with this question? You can just say no.
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@Umbrellacorp
Answer is sometimes yes.
Regardless, we all know of the couples where it is a nonstop yes and for me, I have seen a toxicity there, more consistently in the femsles but often the man being emasculated and bossed around gets bottled up tension and esteem issues.
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@AdaptableRatman
That's a response. No need to get offended.
Anyways, in my opinion, wives obeying husbands was a helpful evolutionary trait until lately. Because we have been in a patriarchal society for thousands.
Today we do not need any wife obeying a husband or vice versa. Both have the oppurtunities to work and provide. Modern marriages are kind of a function.
Day by day we tend more and more towards gender equality. Eventually, only biological differences will remain.
Well actually, my argument might come from a very western standpoint.
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@Mall
The man is naturally meant to be the head, covering, protector, the hunter. Now he can't achieve these duties if the spouse, not the partner, but the wife is not willing to follow her husband's leadership.
Well, if she doesnt want his protection, why should she obey him? Husband must make himself good enough to be obeyed, must even obey if he wants to be obeyed.
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@Swagnarok
I think women who say stuff like that universally have some type of screw loose tbh. She was a hardcore anti vaxxer too and wanted to homeschool. Really pigeonholing your kids from day one
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@thett3
Are you actually Catholic or just culturally?
I feel like redpill people took this from the Bible and stretched it to the extreme.
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@AdaptableRatman
I am actually Catholic, at least I go to mass every Sunday and believe in God. I’m also right wing but a woman screaming vitriol like “BUILD THE WALL DEPORT THEM ALL” would make me think she had some screws loose especially if we just met. A more subtle and less unhinged way to express that same thing is “I’m looking for a husband who can be a leader for our household” straight up saying “I want someone I can OBEY” in a dating app chat with someone you’re just having a first conversation with is 🚩
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@thett3
The main reasons it is a red flag for a man to say the opposite is modern cancel culture and also that men that say that can (usually do not but can) mean something abusive.
Another reason it may be a red flag for the religious is it can mean a lot of kink etc as in it may mean she is open to depravity if the man wants it.
Even before converting, I never have nor will want a woman as a wife who fundamentally does not want and see me as a leader and the dominant partner between us, consensually.
It is emasculating, toxic and unnatural to me to experience a woman who treats you the same as if you were one of her female friends or male aquaintances as if she is not into you as her strong, smart, husband.
That said, I accept that I do want a strong woman. I want a woman who has firm morals, strong values etc. So, ironically I have shifted to seek a woman that actually is less submissive in one sense but I have altered myself towards being a man that clearly earns respect not on the internet with degenerates but IRL.
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@thett3
I want someone I can OBEY” in a dating app chat with someone you’re just having a first conversation with is 🚩
It can only mean few things:
1. She is submissive or wants to be under control
2. She would let man abuse her or wants to be treated badly
3. She has such high standards that you must be alpha dominant male to have her
Now, I would be fine with dating 1 and 2, but 3 is not something I could possibly date as I am not alpha male.
It is emasculating, toxic and unnatural to me to experience a woman who treats you the same as if you were one of her female friends or male aquaintances as if she is not into you as her strong, smart, husband.
Obviously I meant as a gf and then later wife.
I did not mean this as a general statement about women.