Is it reasonable to say evidence exists for alien UFOs?

There's are tons of credible people like esteemed pilots who say they've seen ufos do crazy things in the sky that defy known physics. There's sometimes whole towns who see spacecraft that look like alien ships. The point isn't to make the case that this evidence exists. It's to ask what the implications are and what it can be said to be evidence of. 

I posted in another thread how evidence scientifically can exist for something even if that thing does not exist if we don't know that it doesnt exist. We know credible reports give indications that known physics are being violated and these ufos are often associated with aliens. Is it too much of a stretch to say that because the association exists that its evidence for aliens? Given known laws of physics are being violated doesn't that otherworldly technology give reasonable room to say it might be extraterrestrial? I think a skeptic could say the best explanation is that humans must have secret technology that defy known possibilities... and the fact that this explanation exists means it's jumping to conclusions to say its evidence for aliens. But how reasonable is it to think it could be evidence of the alien theory? Aliens existing wouldn't be a supernatural claim like many religious arguments when it comes to evidence. So isn't it fair to say it is or could be evidence for aliens?

A UFO is just an unidentified flying object, and plenty of those exist. With how many illegal aliens are out and about, there's a good chance an alien is operating one of the UFOs.

The criteria for supernatural is "against the known laws of physics," right? Because as soon as something supernatural is proven to exist, it's just nature. (And the known laws of physics get updated all the time, quantum mechanics being just one example.) So if you are claiming that UFOs violate these laws, it's arguably supernatural.

  Intelligent life only exists on the Earth.

Intelligent life doesnt exist on Earth.

Good point.

No it is not.

Not Roswell, not area 51.

Not the "alien autopsy" documentary hosted by Jonathan Frakes reviewed by Stan Winston.

UFOs are certainly considered a belief for a lot of skeptical people, but I think it's not a religion. I don't know why you put it over here, unless you want to relate it to some bible stories but it's not your case.

Anyway. For those who are pretty sure about the existence of extraterrestrial civilizations visiting us, like me, we infer the UFOs are aliens because:

1. I think it's pretty evident these UFOs are spacecrafts because they seem to be made of some kind of metal, all the evidence points to that. Besides, these crafts give off light, like an airplane.

2. There were several hearings on UFOs in the US Congress, you must know more about that than me. In those discussions, whistleblowers mentioned a lot about humanoids different to us. I mean, former soldiers saying they saw extraterrestrial beings, whether alive or dead. Yeah, there is no clear evidence about it because the US government is hiding it from us, but you can also find testimonies of civilians who saw extraterrestrial beings getting off an alien craft. 

The problem of it is that there are a lot of scientists who don't give a crap about the supernatural despite the many testimonies of people all over the world. Not just about UFOs, but in general about the paranormal which is very related to the alien experience.

I think people who fear aliens are wrong, but people who believe in aliens could be right.

If aliens are capable of destroying us, they have not done so. So they dont seem any interested in destroying us right now. If aliens are not capable of destroying us, then again, no reason to fear yet.

I think alien invasions are generally incorrect ideas. If aliens do come, it wont be invasion probably.

My theory is that aliens are our "parents" and we are just growing and developing as Earth till we reach the stage where our civilization is like theirs.

More than "parents", they were our Gods.

It's something they fear actually, that we take them as Gods again like in the past. They will not show up until we're fully prepared to receive them as our equals, specially the Christians.

If the alien are already the super-human, will they not always be?  Evolution it is going on.

UFO are like the bigfeet, always seen, but always elusive. In France we have the Lou Carcolh. It is the giant snail. I have not seen it, and not the UFO also.

It is reasonable to say all the things. But there is no evidence for the Alien UFOs. It is the fantaisy still. Esteemed pilots also have the fantaisy, no?

They keep evolving, for sure.

What is there beyond the super-human? Nobody knows but I guess it's a fkn good live.

Beyond the super-human, I would say there is the super AI.

Where the life is of no importance.

Every living organism in this universe is like an AI, or if you will, a neural network, even ourselves.

The difference is that the AI doesn't feel. We do.

You seemingly didn't see enough UFO records, but the great evidence will come out very soon. Though, I suspect that this is not going to be enough for the skepticals.

Why would ufos have to be alien. Look at all the stealth aircraft military superpowers have. Pilots most likely saw one of them. Plus why would most of them be spotted in the land of freedom(USA)? Oh, Nvm! Freedom.

The UFO records are not the proof of the alien. The UFO record is the proof of the UFO.

I think the alien will be the proof of the alien, and I would certain like to see the alien.

I am skeptical still.

I hope so, uncle. I'm really looking forward to see this fkn aliens in live.

HaHa.

I am your 16 years uncle from France. How many years is my neveu?

that sounds more like mythology than a theory. if they’re really so advanced they created us and influenced our whole civilization, why would they even care if we see them as gods or equals? that feels super human. and the bit about 'especially the christians' is oddly specific, why would an intelligent alien race focus on how one religion sees them?

I suspect that you're a known user of this forum, someone that also has a dog in his profile picture.

Whatever it is, I will keep doing as if you were 16 and writing from "le pay plus woke de l'Europe".

I wanted to open a thread specifically about it but I don't know if I have enough time to do it before this forum gets closed.

But cutting short, it's all about growing in knowledge and evolving. Every living organism in this universe is in this path. So, if these aliens were Gods for us is because we were primitives back then and had no consciousness to treat them as our equals. Now it's different, we are supposed to be mature enough to see them as equals, that's what they expect from us but we need preparation before they show up.

I say "especially Christians" because most of them are still thinking in terms of "kneeling". The worship, the veneration, the adoration, these are primitive customs or programs that they should leave off. Jehova and their angels were actually aliens, so what would happen when Christian find out about it? That will be a shock for them.

i get why that idea is appealing, but it still paints these super smart aliens with really human emotions. like, expecting us to mature before they show up? needing us to recognize them as equals first? that’s not evolution, that’s just turning them into moral gatekeepers almost. it assumes they actually care about how we see them, which feels more like our own ego talking. and the part about christians being the problem? that's kind of narrow. worship shows up in every culture, not just one. if these beings are really that advanced, wouldn’t they address us as a species, not single out a religion??? and if they did show ancient people their tech or whatever, wouldn’t they have known that being worshipped was pretty much inevitable? the whole thing makes it sound like aliens are just disappointed parents waiting for us to grow up and stop drawing stick figures of them in caves. it’s not really science or faith, it’s more of us projecting our own hangups onto something we don’t understand

Aliens are like us, they also have emotions. They're not robots. Yes, they're a little cold, like the Japanese, but in the end they are not that different to us.

You think they're moral gatekeepers. Well, you're not wrong, they are indeed. It's their right since they created us, they seeded the human being in this planet. We're like a zoo for them, a sort of experiment, so they determine when and how. In fact, the aliens determine whether a human civilization get past to the next level or not. You can imagine what happen to the civilization that don't pass the test, it's wiped out to restart the experiment, and the few humans that really pass get rescued by them (The story of Noah's ark). Seemingly, this current civilization got passed the test, we'll see if this is true. Let's say it's a guided evolutionary process.

As to the Christians, it's me that single them out because I grew up in a Christian society, but it applies to every society that has deep religious habits.

i get that you’re trying to make sense of things by using familiar ideas, morality tests, creation myths, controlled evolution etc. but what you’re describing still sounds more like mythology. saying aliens are cold but emotional, like 'the japanese' (weird comparison), is still filtering them through a very human lens. you’re giving them traits we recognize, but that’s not proof of anything, it’s just projection?? and the whole idea that they created us so they get to decide what happens to us? that’s not science, that’s literally just cosmic authoritarianism. it feels like you’re swapping out god for aliens but keeping the same judgmental parent dynamic. even the bit about rescuing the worthy few, that’s straight out of apocalypse theology. it doesn’t suddenly become rational just because you replaced angels with spaceships.
same goes for the zoo theory, it still assumes they think like we do. that they’re hierarchical, emotionally invested, watching to see if we grow up enough to be worthy. but if they’re really that advanced, wouldn’t their values be almost alien? maybe even beyond what we can understand? because honestly, wiping out civilizations out of disappointment doesn’t sound evolved, it sounds kinda petty. in the end, it says more about how we see ourselves, guilty, self important, scared of being watched, than it does about any real extraterrestrial mindset honestly. this isn’t a scientific model, it’s just a new kind of myth we built when the old ones stopped hitting

Maybe so.

Maybe not.

Seeding is a reasonable hypothesis, though rather like religion, you're writing a fantasy plot into it.

Not so long ago we might have thought of ourselves as the universal super-intelligence, but it seems now that AI will exceed our capabilities.

So the hypothesis now has a new angle to it, whereby if material evolution is a uniform universal process, then it is more likely that the alien seeder was not a wholly organic species.

Nonetheless the immensity of the universe and the vast distances between habitable biospheres presents a huge stumbling block for a deliberate seeding hypothesis.

Does anyone else think klemzy is really  Dana Scully ?