Is it reasonable to say evidence exists for alien UFOs?

Author: n8nrgim 21 days ago

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IlDiavolo

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IlDiavolo

07.15.2025 08:35PM

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@klemzy

i get that you’re trying to make sense of things by using familiar ideas, morality tests, creation myths, controlled evolution etc. but what you’re describing still sounds more like mythology. saying aliens are cold but emotional, like 'the japanese' (weird comparison), is still filtering them through a very human lens. you’re giving them traits we recognize, but that’s not proof of anything, it’s just projection?? and the whole idea that they created us so they get to decide what happens to us? that’s not science, that’s literally just cosmic authoritarianism. it feels like you’re swapping out god for aliens but keeping the same judgmental parent dynamic. even the bit about rescuing the worthy few, that’s straight out of apocalypse theology. it doesn’t suddenly become rational just because you replaced angels with spaceships.

Dude, again, I'm only telling you all what I know about it based on my readings of what contactees were told by the aliens. If you checked all my posts in this forum, you'll see I say the same fk thing. I'm not making that up. It's your decision to believe it or not, not mine. And if you check all the material about contactees, you'll find the same thing. And judging by the popularity of this information, millions of people find it very sensical too.

As to the apocalyptic theory, it's not that they wipe us out all of a sudden, the decision to be wiped out is ours, not theirs. So, they decide to do that when everything gets out of control, when nations start to use weapons of mass destruction. It's there when the aliens reset it all so the Earth doesn't get fully uninhabitable and the experiment can continue.

same goes for the zoo theory, it still assumes th evolved, it sounds kinda petty. in the end, it says more about how we see ourselves, guilty, self important, scared of being watched, than it does about any real extraterrestrial mindset honestly. this isn’t a scientific model, it’s just a new kind of myth we built when the old ones stopped hitting

The problem is that you think aliens treat us as we treat animals in the zoo. So, the only person that is projecting is you. I'm not saying they're treating us fairly, but we sure are better than the animals we mistreat.

Besides, nobody said this is a scientific model. It's not a myth either because considering all the findings about UFOs and contrasting it with what we know about religion and history, it all makes sense.

You can decide to not give a fk about it, this theory is not infallible, but at least you can be a bit curious about what it's going on in the US where there's a group of former military officials that wants to be heard. Check for example the UFO hearings held in the Congress, there is a lot of info that you can find interesting.

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IlDiavolo

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IlDiavolo

07.15.2025 08:45PM

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@zedvictor4

Come on, man. How many times I have to tell you that this is not my theory. @Stephen used to mention some authors like Erich von Däniken or Zecharia Sitchin who wrote a lot of books about the ancient astronauts. They're contemporaneous with @FLWR, so you can imagine how old this theory is.

So the hypothesis now has a new angle to it, whereby if material evolution is a uniform universal process, then it is more likely that the alien seeder was not a wholly organic species.

You mean the seeder was an AI? It could be. I don't rule it out. This universe is fkn vast, so there are lot of things to be discovered.

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klemzy

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klemzy

07.15.2025 10:54PM

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@IlDiavolo

i’m not saying you’re making any of this up. i get that you’re basing it on what people have actually reported. but even then, the way it’s framed still leans really hard on human ideas. emotional, cultural, and psychological pressure etc. can shape the way people experience things, and those stories can end up reflecting our own fears and beliefs more than anything else. when they start sounding like religious end times stuff, moral tests, or parent/child dynamics, it’s fair to question that.
saying "we decide if we get wiped out" doesn’t make it more scientific, it just shifts the blame while still keeping this idea of powerful beings judging us. that’s not evolution, it’s a moral system. same with the whole zoo theory thing, even if it’s meant to be detached, it’s still giving human meaning to alien actions. that’s projection, whether it’s hopeful or not. and yeah sure, it might feel satisfying to tie all this together, religion, history, ufos etc. but that feeling of everything clicking into place isn’t proof. that’s just our brains doing what they’re wired to do, look for patterns. if your belief comes from how it resonates emotionally, that’s fine. but that’s not the same as hard evidence. i am genuinely interested, but being curious doesn’t mean i have to accept it all without questioning it

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IlDiavolo

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IlDiavolo

07.15.2025 11:45PM

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@klemzy

You can question whatever you want, that's what we have to do. Though, the ancient astronauts theory is the best we have to explain our roots and our place in this universe.

The moral test you refer makes sense to me because aliens are looking for us to join the cosmic community. It'd be idiotic to let a bunch of fvkas access all the high technology that exists out there. If humans can't deal with the nuclear technology, imagine what they can do with more powerful tech, it'd be a mess for all the aliens.

If humans can evolve to that level, the zoo is over. It seems fair and rational to me.

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07.16.2025 02:11AM

Seuls les fidèles chiens de chasse d'Orion, Canis Major et Canis Minor, sont reconnus comme tels, traquant l'univers pour… le bon sens.

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zedvictor4

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07.16.2025 06:47AM

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@IlDiavolo

Well , I'm suggesting that a seeder would have been super-intelligent, so in line with material and intellectual development as we know it, it is therefore likely that a universal intelligence with intergalactic and interstellar capabilities would not have been wholly organic.

Like I stated, it's a long shot considering the fkn vastness of the universe, and the logistics of transporting an organic cargo from A to B.

Perhaps single celled organisms were a remnant from the previous universal event and just ended up here.

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07.27.2025 06:39PM

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@IlDiavolo

I do not know about others, but I am only curious about things that have some evidence behind them - and by "evidence" I mean solid, verifiable evidence, not big tales and conspiracy theories. As it stands, the theories about the UFOs containing intelligent aliens in them are about as substantial as the theories about the big foot or ghosts. Beyond their value for scientific fiction, there is nothing they can offer to a curious mind.

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Swagnarok

07.27.2025 06:59PM

I mean, there have been recent moves to declassify large caches of what the government has, and make them publicly available on a site whose name I don't remember. Nothing I've seen looks like a smoking gun so far. Just some photos from the '50s and '60s that resemble old timey stereotypes about UFOs, which could've been either hoaxes or odd-shaped prototype aircraft whose existence had never otherwise been publicly acknowledged.

You might say, well there's a conspiracy going on. But how long could this realistically hold? Which president wouldn't rush to take credit for making the public aware about the existence of alien life? There's a whole lot to gain, and it's unclear to me what said president would lose. There've been leakers like Snowden and Manning, and hackers and organizations like Wikileaks. No one has come forward with this purported evidence yet.