Terraria Mafia #1 - DP2

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I'd like a role claim from Banana, but what is your case for Casey? Is it just that they were on the Whiteflame wagon? Or did you have other reasons to be suspicious of them?
Casey was backing Vader the entire DP. And then also helped start the WF wagon.
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@WyIted
Why do you ask for claims. Who gives a fuck. Just lynch banana and get Casey's claim if she is still around DP2. If banana is scum we probably don't need Casey's claim either just lynch without it
We need the full picture before we lynch.
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Lets go on behavior. Help me lynch her. 

Behavior you can trust but mods can literally provide any role justification etc. they need. These games really should be all vanilla vs all goon so people have to learn this skill again
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@WyIted
Lets go on behavior. Help me lynch her. 

Behavior you can trust but mods can literally provide any role justification etc. they need. These games really should be all vanilla vs all goon so people have to learn this skill again

If she claims something like Doctor, you still going to lynch her? 
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Yes. Why would you give scummy behavior a pass because their claim looks good?

Behavior is what matters. 

Besides what we give scum Andrew pass to our protective roles by claiming one to bait them after they are caught?
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Andrew equals a free
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Banana (3/7) - Wylted, Whiteflame

Not Voting (12) - Lunatic, Mikal/Castin, Ultra, Pie, Resurget, Casey, Savant, Joebob, Banana, Cerulean

My current pfp is my ranged character. His name is Afrocius Green.
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@Cerulean
Also, I have a reason to believe that an evil player was roleblocked last Night. If someone wants to claim that, they're free to do so and I can elaborate. Not 100% necessary, we're not in a bad position right now, but I just want to put that on the table.
Interesting. I may or may not be the one responsible for that. 
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I think ceru is more important but my read on supa was off at the end. Punching myself for not following through initially 
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Casey was backing Vader the entire DP. And then also helped start the WF wagon.
Yeah, I was wrong about Vader. It happens. Everyone is wrong sometimes. But I wasn't the one who put momentum behind the WF wagon. Mikal was the one who was pushing WF hard. You can look back at my progression during DP1. I outright said that I didn't really have any better alternative lynches. It was Mikal that offered WF as an alternative. What would be the point of me trying to defend Vader as scum without really trying to move the lynch in a different direction? All that would do is make me look sus when Vader inevitably flipped scum. 
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To clarify just because Vader slipped doesn’t clear wf. Wf can still be scum but if that wasn’t a mid given fake claim for super I think ceru is prob the one that made it. 
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@Mikal
To clarify just because Vader slipped doesn’t clear wf. Wf can still be scum but if that wasn’t a mid given fake claim for super I think ceru is prob the one that made it.
I can see Ceru being scum. One thing I noticed about him already is a weird inconsistency in his play between today and yesterday. Look at #764 from DP1:

I really appreciate the fact that we've already outed several useless roles that will now proceed to never get nightkilled. Truly stellar gameplay we have going on here.
Clearly against giving out claims liberally. This even matches up with him as a mod - the one game he modded on here had Anticlaim, a mechanic which punishes character/role claiming. But then, at the beginning of this DP, REF argues against forcing out even more claims, which Cerulean apparently seems to think we actually should do all of a sudden.

We already have several scummy claims out there. Have we lynched anyone based on that?
Who? Which remaining claim exactly are you calling scummy?

Vader was lynched because his was the worst.
Feels like a weird inconsistency to me. 

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Yes. Why would you give scummy behavior a pass because their claim looks good?

Behavior is what matters. 

Besides what we give scum Andrew pass to our protective roles by claiming one to bait them after they are caught?
Cause townies can also look scummy even though they’re aren’t scum lol. It’s better to be comprehensive in our assessment before moving forward with a lynch. Plus we have 72 hours.
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Interesting. I may or may not be the one responsible for that. 
Might as well reveal it now then
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@Casey_Risk
Yeah, I was wrong about Vader. It happens. Everyone is wrong sometimes. But I wasn't the one who put momentum behind the WF wagon. Mikal was the one who was pushing WF hard. You can look back at my progression during DP1. I outright said that I didn't really have any better alternative lynches. It was Mikal that offered WF as an alternative. What would be the point of me trying to defend Vader as scum without really trying to move the lynch in a different direction? All that would do is make me look sus when Vader inevitably flipped scum. 
Ya but you were super hesitant on Supa the entire time. And you were talking about other people. It makes sense as scum for you to latch onto a basically confirmed townie.
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@ILikePie5
Casey has some pretty clear town tells, and I'm not seeing those so far. Casey tends to be more active and decisive as town, which they aren't as much in this game, plus I trust my gut a bit on their behavior. The way they defended Vader is what I would expect if they were partners. I'll read through more of Casey's posts and try to flesh this out a bit more.
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Wf can still be scum
I was thinking about this because I had a game recently where we cleared someone for being a scum counter wagon and they endgamed.

Still, I think there are probably better vote options than WF. I can't point to a behavioral reason to vote him as opposed to Banana or REF.
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I was planning to come into today hard claiming this anyway, so I don't mind doing it now.

I am Campfire, Poison Healer. I don't believe my role only exists to counter Iron, so scum must have a Poisoner.

The fact that nobody is poisoned suggests to me that the person who tried to do it was blocked or otherwise unsuccessful.
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@Cerulean
I was planning to come into today hard claiming this anyway, so I don't mind doing it now.

I am Campfire, Poison Healer. I don't believe my role only exists to counter Iron, so scum must have a Poisoner.

The fact that nobody is poisoned suggests to me that the person who tried to do it was blocked or otherwise unsuccessful.
Justification?
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@Cerulean
The fact that nobody is poisoned suggests to me that the person who tried to do it was blocked or otherwise unsuccessful.
How do we know that no one has been poisoned? Would that necessarily be revealed before the end of the day? 
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Lunatic - Loom - Strengthener (Soft: Crafting Station)
Mikal/Castin - Item Category
Ultra - Consumable Item
Whiteflame - Owl - Compulsive Visitor (Soft: Critter)
Pie - NPC
Resurget - Tiered NPC
Casey - Individual Item
Savant - Vulture - Vanilla (Soft: NPC)
Joebob - Vital Item
Wylted - Chest - Doublevoter (Soft: Minecraft Item)
Banana - Consumable Item
Cerulean - Campfire - Poison Healer (Soft: Item Spawned Naturally)


Vader - Black Slime - Randomizer
Irontoaster - Pressure Plate - JOAT: 3x Cop, 1x Poisoner, 1x Bomb (No Soft)

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I was actually wrong about my justification being bad. Health regeneration mechanics in Terraria work differently than I thought.

(I can elaborate on the cause of that particular misunderstanding if necessary.)

I know that multiple people sussed me in the Vader!scum world, so my initial intention was to claim at Day start so we could discuss the poison heal. The fact that there wasn't one threw me off.
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Ya but you were super hesitant on Supa the entire time. And you were talking about other people.
What other people was I talking about? The only person I openly scumread was you, but I didn't try to start a wagon, on you or anyone else. I only hopped on the WF wagon at the end after Mikal started it.
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I asked explicitly. Poisons work like MU: They are announced at Day start and take effect at Day end of not cured.
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What does the poison healer do
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Justification?
Campfire increases health regeneration, so it mitigates the effect of Poison.
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I asked explicitly. Poisons work like MU: They are announced at Day start and take effect at Day end of not cured.
Fair enough. In that case, I will claim, as I believe I may have prevented someone from being poisoned. I am the Spear, a basic weapon which is useful for having high knockback, which helps keep enemies away from the player. Therefore, I am the Asceticizer. I can target players to make them immune to all non-lethal night actions. Last night I targeted Pie. After Vader's flip, I figured he was likely innocent and thought he might have been the target of mafia interference. Seems like I chose well.
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There is also the possibility of a Poisoner 3P. Although, I can't think of a good flavor for it when Spiked Jungle Slime or Hornet fit more with Black Slime.

But I'm willing to treat Pie as soft cleared for now, that helps me clean upper POE a bit.
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VTL REF

Is "tiered NPC" a correct representation of the softs REF made? I'm not sure exactly what that would entail.
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Lunatic - Loom - Strengthener (Soft: Crafting Station)
Mikal/Castin - Item Category
Ultra - Consumable Item
Whiteflame - Owl - Compulsive Visitor (Soft: Critter)
Pie - NPC
Resurget - Tiered NPC
Casey - Spear - Asceticizer
Savant - Vulture - Vanilla (Soft: NPC)
Joebob - Vital Item
Wylted - Chest - Doublevoter (Soft: Minecraft Item)
Banana - Consumable Item
Cerulean - Campfire - Poison Healer (Soft: Item Spawned Naturally)


Vader - Black Slime - Randomizer
Irontoaster - Pressure Plate - JOAT: 3x Cop, 1x Poisoner, 1x Bomb (No Soft)