We know for a fact that scum weren’t given 3 fake roles at a minimum. Doesn’t look like they’re were given 3 fake characters either cause Supa’s soft claim was garbage. More like 1/2 of each
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I am not going to elaborate but I think Casey is a town lock
I targeted pie and got a non successful result.
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@Mikal
I am not going to elaborate but I think Casey is a town lockI targeted pie and got a non successful result.
How do you figure? Scum have all manner of roleblockers as well.
Is "tiered NPC" a correct representation of the softs REF made? I'm not sure exactly what that would entail.
Yes. It is a bit bizarre.
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@Mikal
I am not going to elaborate but I think Casey is a town lockI targeted pie and got a non successful result.
How do you figure? Scum have all manner of roleblockers as well.
Is "tiered NPC" a correct representation of the softs REF made? I'm not sure exactly what that would entail.
Yes. It is a bit bizarre.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
I targeted pie and was unsuccessful. So unless they knew i targeted pie and role blocked me. The claim doesn’t make much sense. I think the role is accurate
Looks like Casey is mechanically confirmed, so forget my earlier read.
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@Mikal
The asceticizer claim seems like a scummier version of a rolestopper to me. It's just a rolestopper but it doesn't make them BP, right? How is that a town lock?
If Pie was scum bussing Supa they could have been stopping the night kill from being tracked. I'm sure there are other possible motivations too. It's town lean maybe, but town lock doesn't seem reasonable to me.
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@Mharman
@Casey_Risk
Fair enough. In that case, I will claim, as I believe I may have prevented someone from being poisoned. I am the Spear, a basic weapon which is useful for having high knockback, which helps keep enemies away from the player. Therefore, I am the Asceticizer. I can target players to make them immune to all non-lethal night actions. Last night I targeted Pie. After Vader's flip, I figured he was likely innocent and thought he might have been the target of mafia interference. Seems like I chose well.
Mharman, if an Asceticizer as described targeted someone carrying out a NK on TV's bomb role, would his bomb count as a lethal night action and still kill that person or would the fact that it's passive/reflexive nullify its effect on the asceticized person carrying out the NK and protect them from the bomb?
The thing is I don't see why TV would ever reveal his role DP1 to dissuade town visits unless he planned to activate the bomb NP1. If he planned to cop or poison he would have kept his role a secret, no? It makes sense as a WIFOM gambit to tempt scum into a 50/50 chance to take out the cop. Trading a cop for a guaranteed scum kill is a good deal. Something protected the person carrying out the NK from that bomb, I'm pretty much sure of it. And Casey could be lying about that role not protecting against lethal actions anyway.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
Lean is fair. I just don’t see the motivation to do that and can see using it on pie. I thought pie and myself would be the nk choices. If anything pie and I would be the prime targets for a rb or redirect. Luna tunneled him but I think lunas tunnel could almost be bus type weird where as pie seemed to actually stick with the same case I had which was the weird inconsistency with his statements.
But pie and Luna. Pie more than Luna seem good
Casey’s motivation seems consistent as well
Tbh I’m surprised tv was cop. Thought he was bullshitting cus pressure plate seemed like a pgo or something.
I do not buy cerus claim at all.
But pie and Luna. Pie more than Luna seem good
Casey’s motivation seems consistent as well
Tbh I’m surprised tv was cop. Thought he was bullshitting cus pressure plate seemed like a pgo or something.
I do not buy cerus claim at all.
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@Mharman
@Mikal
I do not buy cerus claim at all.
If we don't have a poisoner announcement by next DP I agree. The only thing that makes me hesitate is maybe the poisoner targeted town-Pie and it got blocked.
Mharman, would Casey's role as stated block a poisoner because it isn't immediately lethal?
Mharman, would Casey's role as stated block a poisoner because it isn't immediately lethal?
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@Mharman
Also, could you publicly confirm what was said earlier, that a player who was poisoned would have it announced at the beginning of the DP?
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@ResurgetExFavilla
Tv was a poisoner. I think that’s why ceru is claiming it lol.
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@Mikal
@Cerulean
Tv was a poisoner. I think that’s why ceru is claiming it lol.
Is Ceru that retarded? I don't think so. Mods wouldn't put a town role that can only counter poison if there was just one 1x town poisoner JOAT. He knows that, we know that, he knows that we know that.
Ceru, can you use your role on someone that isn't poisoned? Could that result in any sort of mod confirmation of your role?
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@ResurgetExFavilla
Ceru just feels wrong. That claim+ Supas on point reason for why a short sword would be vanilla.
By assumption is they got short sword as a character claim but not a role and ceru worked in why. The verbiage supa gave almost matches exactly to why ceru said it made sense.
It was either a full fake claim role and character
Or someone with a lot of game knowledge came up with it.
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@Mikal
I haven't had time to reread DP1 yet, I've got a pretty busy weekend (camping trip) but I should be able to phonepoast a bit later after I've had time to go over it, especially later Saturday/Sunday. I'll keep an eye out for what you're talking about.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
Something about this post bothers me. It’s like my logical thought was if an anti poison role does exist it was to counter TVs role. It sure I believe that
But you went a step further and say the justification for his claim is because you think mafia or someone likely had another poison ability.
It’s almost like knowledge that should not be there. I did not even consider a second poison role exists which is why I didn’t buy the claim
My lynch pool in order
ceru
Wf
Ana
Skep
I stand by my decision to vote whiteflame last day phase. I had no way of knowing vader was scum, and like I told luna, the reason for voting whiteflame wasn't deep or out of some principal. I townread casey and mikal and both of them were on the whiteflame wagon, plus the day phase was ending and I knew I wouldn't be around at the end of the day phase to vote, so out of all the options available vaders wagon seemed scummier. Lunatic pushing it so hard almost made it seem like it was going to be a guaranteed town lynch that he could just make an excuse for the next day phase and say something like "well I thought he was scummy blah blah" and I didn't feel good about it. He happened to be right about vader but I think it was more luck than actual logic.
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@Mikal
But you went a step further and say the justification for his claim is because you think mafia or someone likely had another poison ability.It’s almost like knowledge that should not be there. I did not even consider a second poison role exists which is why I didn’t buy the claim
Cerulean himself did say that he was assuming that was the case. I've been going back and forth in my mind in regards to Cerulean. I could believe that there is a scum poisoner as well as a town one. But you don't see that too often here; it's more common on MU to my knowledge.
Also, I do agree with the other reasons to sus Ceru specifically, and I don't like how he never responded to my own post calling out his inconsistent behavior. I don't see REF as sus for that post however, though there is one thing from him in DP1 that bothers me a little. I'll expand on that in a bit.
I don't feel its wise for me to role claim at this time. I will character claim since a few people are suspecting me, and I don't want to hold the game up. I am the Ironskin potion.
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@Mikal
Something about this post bothers me. It’s like my logical thought was if an anti poison role does exist it was to counter TVs role. It sure I believe thatBut you went a step further and say the justification for his claim is because you think mafia or someone likely had another poison ability.It’s almost like knowledge that should not be there. I did not even consider a second poison role exists which is why I didn’t buy the claim
I got that from Ceru's post last page, he said that his role doesn't make sense with just a JOAT town poisoner and there must be another.
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@iamanabanana
I would not have said that unless you were pressed lol.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
I missed this. At work and glancing. Disregard that portion then.
Okay
After that claim, I’m good with ceru or wf
I actually think Banana is probably town here. I'll expand on my reasoning during my break.
VTL ultra. He was also on the whiteflame wagon but he had provided less reason for his vote than I did. Somehow everyone seems to be giving him a free pass for it, and not me, which isn't fair.
I want to know why he was on that wagon.
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@Mikal
I would not have said that unless you were pressed lol.
Wylted had voted for me, pie demanded a claim, and you had put me on your POE list, all three of you are people I consider town, so I thought I was being pressed.
So Mharman is understandably no longer answering questions in the DP but he confirmed to me that Casey's role as described would not have stopped a poisoner or a bomb. That does make me suspect Ceru a bit more and Casey a lot less. Where is the poisoner announcement? I don't see how scum would have known that there was a poison healer in town and held back. I also asked him if scum would be able to poison and kill in the same NP hypothetically and he said as long as two different people carried out each action. With losing a scum DP1 I don't see why they wouldn't take that route immediately to even the odds a bit.