Trump's getting his wall it seems

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    The Congress passed their budget with limited wall monies and limited wal type structures. Trump is/will declare a National Emergency allowing him to pull funds from various programs, mostly military to pay for what he wants. Seems a legal battle is going to put this at the Supreme Court. Should be interesting. 
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    Republicans must not allow president Trump to subvert the constitution of the US for his own benefit and because he is unable to negotiate with Congress

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    Is it subversion or is it in his authority? Bush did it. Trump may be able to as well. 
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    when the Congress is bought and paid for by the slave labor traders in America colluding with Mexican coyotes, it's a national emergency. Lincoln would approve.
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    Do you think that the President has the power to override the spending decisions of a democratically elected congress in order to achieve policy goals he tried and failed to negotiate?
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    He has the authority to declare a state of emergency and to move the military budget it seems. If he doesn't then the Court will stop him. That is how it works right? 
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    when the Congress is bought and paid for by the slave labor traders in America colluding with Mexican coyotes, it's a national emergency. Lincoln would approve.

    Awesome, so even GP agrees this is a made up National Emergency!

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    1.) He doesn’t have the constitutional power to declare an emergency when it is not an emergency.

    2.) It is congress that raises and appropriates money for programs - declaring a national emergency to deliberately circumvent this process is not within the power.

    3.) The courts will decide, or potentially it may not even go that far. Whether or not the courts are the entity that will make the ultimate decision does not change the fact that this is a blatant circumvention of presidential authority, and pretty much demonstrates the retarded hypocrisy of Republicans in general, who shit their pants in rage any time Obama signed an EO.


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    Is border security not an emergency? Yes Congress gave the budget and he found places that he can take from to address the issue. Honestly I think he should be able to at least use the drug forfeiture money on border security. Since that is a point of entry for drugs. I don't remember ever taking a shit when Obama did anything. And EO is in the President's authority. So why get upset. 
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    As has been said before, a national emergency has been declared by various presidents several dozen times since the 1970s. All or most of these cases entailed unilateral action by the President, and most of the time they got away with it just fine. The fact that the amount comes up to 8 billion instead of 20/25 billion suggests that's the money his administration will be able to derive from various sources, meaning he will not require Congress to supply the money.

    The Democrats act as though the reason they're opposed to the Wall is because it would (supposedly) be ineffective. If there was any truth to that, then they would work together with Republicans to draft legislation that provided full funding for measures that are effective towards the goal of drastically curbing the illegal flow of people into the United States. Instead, they've dragged their feet at every turn and finally agreed only to barebones funding (and only after a monthlong government shutdown), in a bill filled with poison pill provisions designed to kill whatever minimal level of effectiveness this might've otherwise had. The very air that Democrats breathe reeks of bad faith, and the Republicans have shown themselves little better. This emergency declaration was two years in the making, and I hope the SCOTUS doesn't do something so treasonous and detrimental to the interests of this country as to rule the measure unconstitutional.
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    This is probably going to go to the SCOTUS to determine if the president can have a legitimate opinion on what constitutes an emergency. It actually doesn't look too bad against him considering how the travel ban ruling went. 

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    Just to be clear, it's both parties that are being heavily influenced by slave labor industries colluding with Mexican coyotes.

    How do you fight corruption like that?
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    It's probably impossible. Trump's the only real person in a position of power at this time who has a credible interest in stopping it. So here's to his success.
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    Pretty sad that the Congress is going the way of the Roman Senate before the fall of Rome. Such is mankind to repeat the mistakes and tragedies of history.
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    Western Rome lasted, what, four hundred and fifty years after the Senate lost power?  

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    Yeah, USA certainly won't end in 12 years or so.
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    depends on whether Putin’s Trump gambit succeeds, I guess. If Trump is still POTUS 12 years from now I think we can safely say America is done-zo
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    Da Comrade. Da.
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    1.) He doesn’t have the constitutional power to declare an emergency when it is not an emergency.

    2.) It is congress that raises and appropriates money for programs - declaring a national emergency to deliberately circumvent this process is not within the power.

    3.) The courts will decide, or potentially it may not even go that far. Whether or not the courts are the entity that will make the ultimate decision does not change the fact that this is a blatant circumvention of presidential authority, and pretty much demonstrates the retarded hypocrisy of Republicans in general, who shit their pants in rage any time Obama signed an EO.


    I would expect the legality of the whole thing to be heard quickly, likely before a DC district court judge, as has happened before with Trump's other legally questionable maneuvers.
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    Trump won't even be alive in 12 years, much less a dictator (the man's like 240 pounds, 70 something years old, has arguably the most stressful job in the world, and I could go on). I hope you're just being facetious, because you've built up a lot of credibility for yourself as a voice of reason that could stand to go flying out the window with inane conspiracy theory talk like this.
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    Pretty sure he wasn't being serious.
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    Ah. Okay.
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    Do I seriously think Trump might still be President twelve years from now?  Well, Trump is nothing if not everlastingly surprising but no.  I wonder what odds Trump himself would give?  I really like the notion of credibility but I'm certain to disappoint you eventually.

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    I doubt Trump will be president in 12 years.  I have heard that he might win in 2020 because of left wing strawmans.  Republicans shouldn't get so cocky.  Liberals thought Trump would lose and they were wrong.
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    I agree with everything you just said.