Solipsism.

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    The most annoying thing about the idea that our universe isn't real is that you can't really prove the universe is real without making the supposition that the universe is real. Now I enjoy my life and pursue happiness because I am happy whether the universe is real or not but I just can't shake the realisation that my experience may be completely illusory.

    I am a soft solipsist, which is to say that I am willing to accept that my senses reflect reality provincially as a convenience since this tends to make my experience more pleasant than if I were to ignore my perceptions of it.

    Can anyone find a way to be certain that anything exists besides your experience in and of itself?
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    I can.
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    Without first presupposing that anyone's personal experience more or less reflects any reality?
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    They would be part of the experience in your logical framework.

    It's the starting point you have wrong, the rest can be sound logic based on your wrong starting point.
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    By starting point do you mean an axiomatic acceptance of your experience as reflecting reality?
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    Wrong, that would be me being a solipsist.

    I believe solipsists are fools, they should deny even themselves due to their starting point. 
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    Hard solipsism certainly seems nonsensical to me. It only makes sense to use your perceptions as a guide to navigating your experience and that means accepting "reality" on a provisional basis.

    I am a soft solipsist and only because I can only be objectively certain of one thing and that is the fact that I am experiencing something even if that something turns out to be totally illusory.

    Now if we do accept that our experience reflects reality then we can discern certain facts from these experiences through application of the scientific method but first we must accept reality which my only reason for doing is as a convenience.

    For example by accepting our shared reality as real I am able to have this conversation with you.

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    You seem to think that an idea can only be explored if it's safe enough to believe it.
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    I'm not sure what you mean by safe in this context.

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    When you actually want me to answer the question of how someone can end up being solipsist let me know.



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    It's quite simple. I am a soft solipsist because there is inadequate proof that my personal experience reflects reality in any meaningful way.

    It might and I behave as though it does but I can't be objectively certain.
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    Then what is your question? You clearly understand how they come to their conclusion.
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    I'm not sure to whom you are referring since I can speak only for myself and how I came to be a soft solipsist.

    If you have any objective evidence that our shared experience reflects reality that I do not first have to presuppose our experience dies reflect reality present it please. I would honestly be relieved if I could be sure that I am real.

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    objective evidence that the objective evidence is not in any provable way real outside of your perception?

    xD
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    Precisely. Do you have such evidence for or against the idea that our universe Is real?
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    Do you want to know how to think like them or do you only care about evidence which is part of the imaginary realm according to them?
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    Who are you talking about? Who is they?
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    solipsists
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    I do not claim to know what any solipsist thinks or believes other than myself.
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    Well, if the universe is defined to be everything that exists, then it tautologically exists.
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    Then allow me to rephrase in order to avoid the tautology. Is there any evidence for or against the idea that our perceptions/experiences accurately reflect reality whatever that turns out to be? Indeed is there any objective reason for you to believe in me?
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    Well, no. It's something we take for granted. I don't even know what evidence of that sort would look like. We would necessarily receive it through our senses. In order for us to trust that evidence, we would first need to trust our senses. To then use it as evidence that our senses are trust worthy is circular.
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    Which is exactly why I am a soft solipsist.
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    if reality is illusory, then reality is merely of the mind -idealism. It's still the case that reality exists, though the nature of it isn't physical. 
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    If I take anesthesia, I lose consciousness. I can observe the act of me taking anesthesia, therefore my observations are causally linked to my experiences.