L.A. Street Sellers Outlawed No More

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  • IlDiavolo
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    I've been making fun of California lately because it seems to me that this state is getting more and more hispanic given the high rate of hispanic inmigration. A poster here refuted this fact. However, checking the last news about it, it seems California is adopting many customs from Latinamerica, specially from the primitive, savage Mexico.


    It's clear that street vendoring doesn't make any good to a state or a country because they don't pay taxes and it's an unfair competition for the vendors who pay a rent and taxes.

    What is going on, America? Is really Calexit getting serious?
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    I'd bet they don't face the same regulations and aren't scrutinized like restaurants and fast food chains are.  This is kind of like a farmer's market, there can be places  which allow for people to sell their goods and services, capitalism works after all, but the rules need to apply to all and equally.  These vendors should be preferred to people no working and using tax dollars.

    they don't pay taxes and it's an unfair competition for the vendors who pay a rent and taxes.

    that shouldn't be allowed but this is California after all, this is how they are going to force whitey out of their city and state.
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    But, dude, you're Italian. Are you living in America?
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    It's the state that's getting screwed with no sales tax or licensing fees.
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    Doesn't the new bill allow cities to collect licensing fees and paperwork that can be used to audit taxes?
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    I've been making fun of California lately because it seems to me that this state is getting more and more hispanic given the high rate of hispanic inmigration.

    California was a Spanish colony for centuries before Anglos came. Not sure where you find humor in that. 

    specially from the primitive, savage Mexico.

    i love Mexico.  I’ve been to Guadalajara, Chitzen Itza, Puerto Vallarta, Baja, Juarez. Seems  like you are just pretending at provocation. 

    It's clear that street vendoring doesn't make any good to a state or a country because they don't pay tax
    and it's an unfair competition for the vendors who pay a rent and taxes.

    thats not at all clear to me. Here in Denver, street vendors are seen as a cheap venue for experimental entrepreneurship. They facilitate all kinds temporary events. We have a number of peak seasons here - rodeo, skiing, beer fest, weed fest which were really difficult to staff and produce consistently. Street vendors suddenly offer all kinds of services, mostly food that make these event consistently fun. 

    I suppose scoflawry of taxes is probably likelier given the transient nature of street markets but really, how can you tell?  Tax dodging is extremely common in the volatile restaurant industry (hell I once helped smuggle a genuine Picasso out of a very fancy restaurant that had been shut down by the taxman that morning).  I’m sure you’re right insofar as some tax dodging is very likely but I haven’t heard govts complain much. Perhaps it’s all still thought of as small potatoes or gravy. 

    What is going on, America? Is really Calexit getting serious?

    No. turns out that was just two guys getting paid by Russia to stir up shit. I think they’re working on Brexit now. inmigration

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    No. turns out that was just two guys getting paid by Russia to stir up shit. I think they’re working on Brexit now. immigration.

    If Russia has that much success against the American Socialists..maybe the sane Americans should consider a temporary alliance with Russia to root out the socialist fascists and the globalists.. just like WWII...

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    Yap. Let’s get foreigners to kill Americans with the wrong ideology in the name of the First Ammendment. You are a freakin genius. 

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    Nah, just killing the radical left who is trying to abolish the 1st amendment with hate speech censorship and state controlled thought crimes.

    I'm totally down with that.
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    California was a Spanish colony for centuries before Anglos came. Not sure where you find humor in that. 
    Really, don't you see it? California is American, not Mexican anymore. That's the funny side, this State is getting back to its origins without the need of a war. Mexicans just need to migrate illegaly and that's it, they already conquer an American State.


    i love Mexico.  I’ve been to Guadalajara, Chitzen Itza, Puerto Vallarta, Baja, Juarez. Seems  like you are just pretending at provocation. 
    I really don't care what you love or not. I can also say I despise Mexico, but that's not the point.

    thats not at all clear to me. Here in Denver, street vendors are seen as a cheap venue for experimental entrepreneurship. They facilitate all kinds temporary events. We have a number of peak seasons here - rodeo, skiing, beer fest, weed fest which were really difficult to staff and produce consistently. Street vendors suddenly offer all kinds of services, mostly food that make these event consistently fun. 

    I suppose scoflawry of taxes is probably likelier given the transient nature of street markets but really, how can you tell?  Tax dodging is extremely common in the volatile restaurant industry (hell I once helped smuggle a genuine Picasso out of a very fancy restaurant that had been shut down by the taxman that morning).  I’m sure you’re right insofar as some tax dodging is very likely but I haven’t heard govts complain much. Perhaps it’s all still thought of as small potatoes or gravy. 
    I think you've got to have a long talk with your folks living in California. In DDO I've read a lot of complaints from people who visited California about what it's going on there.

    I also watched some videos in youtube of people who complain about street vendoring and how it's changing the urban landscape. I mean, I understand people need the money in order to make a living, but there are laws to comply. Otherwise, the country would slide into anarchy.
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    Really, don't you see it? California is American, not Mexican anymore. That's the funny side, this State is getting back to its origins without the need of a war. Mexicans just need to migrate illegaly and that's it, they already conquer an American State.

    Yeah, that's America: one restless reconquista after another.  I suppose there's humor to it but I don't see how it makes California the figure of that fun. I mean, what you say is true and because of that dynamic California is incredibly prosperous- the wealthiest sub-national entity in the world- bigger than the UK or France or India, the largest collection of very wealthy people the world and Mexicans are an important part of that prosperity at every level.  The economy is so vibrant and diverse because its people are so vibrant and diverse only 50% of Californians were born in California- far less so in the major cities.

    I really don't care what you love or not. I can also say I despise Mexico, but that's not the point.
    Wow, even Ricardo Montalban?  That's hard.

    I think you've got to have a long talk with your folks living in California. In DDO I've read a lot of complaints from people who visited California about what it's going on there.
    I also watched some videos in youtube of people who complain about street vendoring and how it's changing the urban landscape. I mean, I understand people need the money in order to make a living, but there are laws to comply. Otherwise, the country would slide into anarchy.
    I've been there a few times and some of my best friends live there.  I've walked through East LA and slept in Griffith Park and shook hands with movie stars in Hollywood.  I've seen Half-Dome and Redwoods.  I've seen it snow a foot an hour on Donner Pass. I've  had sex on the beach in Santa Barbara and hitchhiked abandoned out of Barstow in hundred degree heat.  I've had coffee at the City Lights bookstore on the coldest day in San Francisco's history and chowder on the Sausalito docks.  I love California- its people and its culture (which is very Mexican but also something very new)
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    Right now, BTW, California is experiencing a superbloom of flowers in the desert and the skies are filled with dense clouds of butterflies and weed is legal.  This post brought to you by the California Board of Tourism.
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    Right now California is enjoying the pinnacle of government control. 

    But it isn't sustainable. California's water problems are only getting worse with it's 50 million in population. It's inability to construct a 70 billion dollar high speed rail along with the inability to construct new water reservoirs to handle the growing population is more alarming than anything a climate scientist can dream up.


    California has a state debt about 10% the size of the national debt. Ouch.

    California's regulations ensure they won't be able to provide housing for the growing population. California is now the homeless capital of the USA.
    Roads and traffic are terrible. Any metric of infrastructure shows California near the bottom. American middle class is leaving, and the state of the State is only an improvement to economic migrants from the south from already failed socialist dystopias.

    All of this makes California look like Venezuela's glory years right before the oil market crash, and believe me, it can take something as trivial as an Amazon type corporation leaving the state to cause the crash.

    The real question is whether the other 49 states will bail California out with the provisions of restructuring the State government deregulating the state and allowing freedom back into the state, or will they just build a wall around California as it descends into the Venezuela we see today.

    The wall would be far easier and cheaper for America.

    The recent push for tourism to California is whimsical if you consider that the most broken of areas depend mainly on tourism revenue to support their economy. Cancun or California? Flip a coin.

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    This is a nice outlook on California. Thanks for bringing it up, I understand now there is no American dream any longer.