This is the video:
Do tell me what you think.
So, i think you're with me when it comes to music requiring sacrifice and a lot of pain, blood, sweat and tears to get to the professional stage.
I also think you're okay with people old enough to make the choice to be in the program.
the powerful running the people that don't have that power.
So really how different are we?
So, in my case, i would have been happy my parents put me in the program...
Overall, i don't agree with how they are doing it bc it hinders creativity
So how different is it really? You still need that backing. But of course, our way is way more creative and that's why we have probably the largest variety of music in the world that's good. So.. i agree our way is better, but i can't say their way is wrong other than not allowing for variety.
My problem is that the choice they are making is a slavery contract.
If the person is not given two bad choices instead two good choices where she/he has bargaining power to say at bare minimum you do not get to dictate what I do in my private life.
she doesn't want her voice given to her children because she doesn't want what she is suffering to be past on.
that freedom they are allowed to pick a job they like if they have a family to support that venture.
The working conditions are awful. That video highlighted it. They control your private and social life and tell you to work for unsafe hours.
Sure this can reduce creativity but I care about life more than creativity.
If our way is better that means there way is worse.
Are you for bringing back slavery because there really is no difference?Do you really think it's any different here? I'll give you an example.
Every musician signing a contract with a record label has some kind of slavery contract.
Unless you become huge, you don't get that much freedom.
if blackpink blows up any more... i'm sure they can do solo stuff and their own work.
I don't think the record label 'literally' owns the person. If that's the case, i missed it... i wouldn't agree with that obvi.
Once they make it or fail... they're fine to do anything they want.
No one owns their lives... literally.
I'm sure you are aware one example isn't very convincing.
i don't agree with anyone physically abusing these people, but toughening them up... hell yeah, they're about to be on a pretty large stage. They need to toughen.
We do have more freedom, and i ain't hating on that... but i think we've forgotten what freedom truly means. And, if i bring in that 50% of the country is making less than 30k a year... i'd say 50% of our country is not free. Money doesn't equal happiness but it does equal freedom. A free country shouldn't report the highest stress levels.
I don't know if i can give much stock to one video with the purpose of showing it in a negative light. It's hard for me to believe they are all horrible.
I really didn't get the impression they are killing people with the program.
So is the military. If they want to do it that way, and it produces good results, then i would say they are falling a formula.
And, likely really good ones too if you are training young kids, especially boys, to be singers. Boys lose a lot of range after puberty, but if they train through it... they become insane singers.
Are you for bringing back slavery because there really is no difference?
No they don't.
They can't leave and if they do who is going to buy them?
He pretty much says in the contract "they have to sacrifice all personal freedom"
Think about spending your entire life on something that you think you are capable of doing. Now think that person said you are not worthy.
So pretty much you need them to pay them worse than what they are actually getting because they already control their personal freedom?
i do think we are wage slaves currently. It's less racist but more so power based
I really want to visit Scandinavian countries too... i think they are doing something right too.
Yes they do. The error you're making is comparing us to Korea. Korea is worse, i've conceded that... but, record labels do have elements of enslaving musicians.
They couldn't split up into other bands until the contract was up. In time, they fell apart, they lost interest... basically, that contract killed their dream. That's why they say in the music industry always have a lawyer with you when signing.
A lot of people. When you get that big... you don't have to stay in Korea. There are hundreds if not thousands that want to recruit these girls. They can also branch out into acting, and many other things that correlate with their celebrity.
Yes i caught that... but i doubt that means for the rest of their lives.
This has happened more times than i can count
Actually, i think their model plus our freedom would be awesome.
I think we've reached an agreement. Bc, i don't agree with how Korea "is." So, it looks like their politics and government is negatively impacting even the music industry there. So, i'm with you there. And, i'm happy you see what i mean by a program actually being kinda a cool idea to get musicians to a stage. Actually, it's sorta happening in the form of shows like the Voice, America's got talent, etc.. But, it's still not happening large scale. I do think we are starting to incorporate that idea here though... i wouldn't be surprised metal / rap / techno all that starting shows too. Hey, maybe we should start one... how do you get one started?... you probably need to know someone that knows someone i assume... i hate that about America, but i guess i'm free to hunt one down. Is that a plus? A little bit. But the cool thing about America is you can get creative and make something new. So we are largely in agreement... I'll address some of the other interesting points you've made.I can agree with that depending on the work hours and how much control they have over private lives which I hope to be covered in the freedom part.
It's really hard for me to put this in words... but all those age timelines you gave is the struggle man. I didn't come back to reality from the music industry until 28/29 years old. And i had to start over. As someone that went through it, i see a lot of similarity in the struggle. I guess i was free to still get a degree while i did music, so i'm 100% on your side there... but, i don't know about how Korea works to bring these people back to reality. Do they have a plan? Do they just let them go? Are most of these kids from affluent families? I don't know. The struggle looks very similar, but i agree with you that it's messed up if they just throw them back into society without help... that's messed up.These boys or girls are picked at an early age.
I'm not going to go search to be honest, it's just logical. For example, one of the members of Blackpink is from Australia. I don't think anyone is holding her back (unless a contract) to go back to Australia and start her own thing. Most of them in a interview said they want to focus on BP for now... i'm assuming they're making some money to want to stay. Once they ride that out... it's just logical they can leave. Again, i don't know SKorea... but i don't think they disallow citizens to leave.Do you have an example of this?
Actually, it's more so expected than looked down upon... everyone knows producing companies / industries can be shady. Each side just wants the most money... it's a give and take relationship. Which i see why you think it's better here than there... bc there it's just take. I don't agree with that. I just wonder how much the girls from BP make. I can't imagine it's bad once you make it that big.Yes musicians can be enslaved but that is looked down upon.
Hmm, i've been trying to figure out your political views. I wasn't too sure you'd agree so much with me. Yeah, i think both sides are preaching to the extremes. And it makes sense. It's the people that are extreme that will likely get involved and vote more. More logical people seeing the circus just give up. So, i really don't even want to deal with politics anymore... for me now is, which extreme is better. Bc when put into practice, it always comes to the middle. That's why crap is moving so slow... we work so hard to stay away from the middle, but that's where we always end up.Too bad conservatives says socialism bad instead of seeing the pros to universal healthcare and unions.
I think we've reached an agreement.
That is the freedom you have in the US. Freedom to be st*pid and still make it in life. Trump is an example of that if you needed one. Still d*mb but is rich so he must be intelligent at something while also wining an election as well. I don't think that same stance is shared by policies or people in Korea.I didn't come back to reality from the music industry until 28/29 years old.
For example, one of the members of Blackpink is from Australia.
i'm assuming they're making some money to want to stay.
I just wonder how much the girls from BP make. I can't imagine it's bad once you make it that big.
Hmm, i've been trying to figure out your political views. I wasn't too sure you'd agree so much with me.
Yeah, i think both sides are preaching to the extremes.
it always comes to the middle. That's why crap is moving so slow... we work so hard to stay away from the middle, but that's where we always end up.
I think i'm going to give Bernie a go this time around.
I'd be happy if only his healthcare ideas and wage ideas make it somewhere in the middle... bc that's most important to me personally. Healthcare shouldn't be so expensive.
People shouldn't be offended at the "grab them by the pussy" comment Trump made... that should be a realization of the power money gives you.
must be intelligent at something while also wining an election
number 1 fan who knows where they are from
if they were stars in American
My profile says I am a liberal but I think I would closely align with a progressive
Depends on how you look at it.
Healthcare is already at the middle.
Well if you mean instead of being offended
Agreed but people are called d*mb are called that in something important whereas if someone is intelligent at stamp collecting it is not really considered socially smart. That word can be unfair because at times it is made without knowing the person enough to really make that call but with Trump we have enough tweets and speeches to call him out on it.Even the dumbest person is intelligent at something
In regards to Trump, he's brilliant at marketing himself.
You're right, it's people like me that gave Trump the win... but the left wasn't innocent in that ordeal.
It really has to do with my religion...
The interview was just a suggestion and i thought i'd look it up... common, these chicks are hot. Had to see them in their semi-natural state.
Free college/university may only come down to college and a little boaster check if you want to go to Uni... it's not going to be college and university paid for... which is one issue i don't agree with Bernie on.
That's why i see it as saying the extreme to hopefully get a version of it. But do i think UHC is extreme, no. Doing everything Bernie is saying, yes.. i find that extreme.
I have to wait for the debates... but i think Bernie/Tulsi ticket would be awesome.
I agree. I don't like the state of healthcare currently.
You're right, i said that wrong. They should be offended, but they shouldn't let that offense blind them to the bigger meaning of that statement.
Agreed but people are called d*mb are called that in something important whereas if someone is intelligent at stamp collecting it is not really considered socially smart.
It wasn't the left so more so individuals in the DNC who might as well be Republicans screwing over Bernie.
What is your God's name?
I am sure he is for free college but I haven't heard anyone be for free university.
People think extreme is bad.
Here is a video on how Bernie would win
It is okay for private healthcare but as you can see with pretty much all of Europe public healthcare is the better option
In that instance she is smart and people belittle here because they know no better or have low self-esteem but that is a far cry from people who I would even call d*mb. That would be people engaging in topics that they think they understand but have no idea what they are talking about. This would mean they are d*mb in that scenario but for other cases a person who accepts a standard like feeling over facts would generally be called d*mb because they would value their personal anecdotes over what is reality.She was smart in her own right.
Yeah. With all this Biden push... i think they're up to no good again. I personally wouldn't vote for the guy... well, i have to see his debates, but just listening to him on programs... i don't like him.
i think this life is no different than a movie.
The struggle of finding your way in life is really key to growing up out of high school... i don't think we need a bunch of extended high schoolers running around.
I agree. With that said, i think a little caution from the conservative angle is smart to heed. If you have an "extreme" idea... implement it with some care and conservatively.
Haha, you're a Kyle 'seltzer' listener! He is in my opinion one of the best progressive voices. They should listen to his advice...
I hope. I just wonder how it will work out in our country. We have to do it in a way to reward doctors and progression while helping people get care. This is one of the good extremes i'm worried about... bc we just want it now. And, that scares me... we need to go about it carefully.
Oh, i understand what you mean now. Yes, people just making up bullshit to bullshit i would consider dumb if they truly believe in it and expect the world should revolve around their model. For instance, someone arguing to ban guns when they've never shot a gun, have no clue of the history, the implications, or the correct terms. However, feeling has it's place. It's a powerful emotion that shows us the future. But future tripping is bad when you can't come back to reality, the present, and think about the implications of your feeling. Some people are just incapable of this sort of logic, sadly. That's why i am so interested in the meyers briggs test. It's actually genius if you understand what it's indicating. And the majority of people that score on that test are "sensories" ... which have a harder time with logic than "intuitive" types.That is a far cry from people who I would even call d*mb
Wow, no. But, i'm not surprised. The benefit of my religious view is that i am really good at reading people... society. I knew Trump was going to win as soon as Hillary got the nomination. I won 5 bets with friends lol. And let me tell you, if this dude gets it... Trump will win again. I'm not sure, i have to watch the progression and how he debates... but, he is so clearly a douche bag from what i see so far. Again, it will come down to the douche bag we know that's clear about it... or the one trying to hide it. People see through that facet in our time.Did you see what Biden said here?
The only thing I would like from you is not to start a cult
I still don't know what I want to do with my life and don't think I would know any time soon.
you think about the people who it impacts
I doubt people are going stop doing well as a doctor
That is one problem. The other problem are bad faith actors who don't actually hold the position they believe in. This can be Dave Rubin, Tim Pool etc. I used these two because they say they are on the left but always insult the left and never insult the right. When someone tells you like ice cream but never eat it even being offered it. Are we supposed to believe you like ice cream or maybe you are a liar?Yes, people just making up bullshit to bullshit i would consider dumb if they truly believe in it and expect the world should revolve around their model.
People see through that facet in our time.
Was it a choice? Accident? A bet? Someone else convincing them? First time? I have no clue. It's empowering in that it's up to you to figure it out, not me.
in my opinion, take advantage of your youth... in 10 more years you'll miss it.
That's what i mean when i say do it conservatively.
This interview was hilarious. I watch Youtubers from every side. Peterson is really funny when it comes to some subjects... liking calling out victim mentality. But against logic, he debate Kyle too... it's just funny seeing the extreme religious zealot side vs. common sense.
I'm worried about innovation. Also, if i could pick any human to be filthy rich, it would be doctors that save lives. So, i want them taken care of in the new system.
This can be Dave Rubin, Tim Pool
CNN I think had a poll which has Biden winning but they actually cheated the results
If you are not harming others or persuading people to join a cult then it is fine by me. I think you should still talk to a professional because from what I read it looks like you have a big ego. Have you watched American Psycho?
my youth just for some YOLO moment.
Conservatively is a bad word
Yeah he is mentally not there
You need doctors for universal healthcare
Yes... these two annoy the heck out of me, especially Tim Pool. Dave Rubin is an idiot for sitting in front of Shapiro and letting him talk down about him being gay... can't believe he calls someone a friend that won't be with him in his happiest moments.
Yes. I also saw Kyle's video on this. I get my news from Yahoo mainly.
i've noticed there are more conservatives in the comments, there are progressive and other comments too. It's the new age newspaper that allows people to lambaste the article. It's pretty cool.
I'm curious how that has led you to think i have a big ego. Can you explain?
Also, how would you define a cult?
Wouldn't spreading a religious idea where people take control back while maintaining hope be a good thing?
So my ego can be both a positive and negative. But that's just side note in that i'm not denying it, i'm still curious how you came to that conclusion.
Yes, i've seen American Pyscho... but i don't see the similarities to what you're saying. I don't remember the movie enough to remember details.
I've had my YOLO moments and they've made me personally better. It's not a bad thing. But, that's not what i meant really anyways. I don't mean go to Havasu get totally drunk on a boat and screw a girl in one of the chambers... although i'd recommend that. I just mean don't focus too much on the future. Just imagine a plan, or make a plan, and push towards it. Just remember to have fun.. however you define fun.
Don't be one of those progressives... how is that a bad word other than people decide to label themselves it that you disagree with?
If you've ever read the 48 laws of power... there is a specific manipulation tactic i he's using. Appear less intelligent than your mark, your mark will drop its guard. He's intelligent enough to have gotten a business going... so, i just wonder how much of it is a show.
Of course they will be required... i just want them to get paid.
Doctors deserve their high pay
Tim Pool is one example.
I think those conservatives outnumber the progressives in the comments.
Conservatism is always the movement against progression.
I don't think he owns one
Well is a banker deserved screwing over people less fortunate than him in order to get a raise?
Tim Pool and David Pakman are going to have a debate
I don't think I am important to think I am a star of my own movie.
other far-fetched ideas that the norm does not agree with.
False hope is bad hope.
The movie part mainly.
Not a risk taker because it would be foolish to do something dangerous. I don't want to commit harm or potentially do so for a maybe I might know what I want to do with my life.
it's been in the works for i don't know more than 20 years of my life, all of my life, this is what i have believed. Before knowing what belief even means.
Me personally, i would rather watch a movie like yours than watch someone like him.
Do you honestly believe... even if you find it insignificant, that others find it insignificant?
What people don't grasp is my belief... you are critiquing the platform before understand the belief part. If i am an infinite being having finite experiences... what does that truly mean? If i live to 100... what is that to the infinite self? Nothing right? How many times can i live as Elon, how many times can i be Superman? How many times can i be the top of the top? In an infinite existence... would i never have the urge to just be something insignificant? I can answer all of these for myself... but my answers don't apply to you.
I don't think we know what the norm "truly" believes yet.
then it would be logical for people that are more evolved to come here when it's more evolved. Another topic that's hard to explain through typing though.
I would have expected you to say the whole i'm god part
My beliefs don't matter... it's all about who you believe you are and what character you'll play.
Everything rewarding comes with a great risk
you should work on getting over that fear of the unknown.
But... as i hope you're realizing, i don't get to define anything for you... fun is what you define as fun.