Be skeptical of atheism.

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  • Fallaneze
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    Be skeptical of theism AND atheism. Too many atheists are skeptical of one only side, theism, and not the other, atheism.
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    --> @Fallaneze
    Atheism itself is not a claim. Atheism is simply withholding belief on one particular subject. 
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    According to which definition?
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    --> @Fallaneze
    According to which definition?

    When I say I am an atheist all I mean is that I do not maintain a belief in any god(s). This is not tantamount to making any claim. 
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    Which definition of "atheism" are you using? 

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    --> @Fallaneze
    Which definition of "atheism" are you using? 
    What definition are you using? I thought the word just meant that you don't believe in any god(s). If I am an atheist then atheism does not necessitate a claim and therefore is not tantamount to a claim. 

    Atheists make claims atheism is not a claim. Do you see the distinction?
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    How about this one?

    "Therefore, in philosophy at least, atheism should be construed as the proposition that God does not exist (or, more broadly, the proposition that there are no gods)."



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    What about it? I am an atheist and my only position is that there is insufficient evidence to justify belief in any god(s) so unless your working on a no true Scotsman argument I don't see your point.
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    It was a definition of atheism from a reputable source that showed the term "atheism" is a claim, contrary to what you said in post #2. You also seem unable or unwilling to provide a definition of atheism from any source.
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    How many times must I say that atheism is the lack of belief in god(s).

    It breaks down like this atheist (a)theist (not)theist not a theist.

    In fact unless you believe in Zeus and Thor and Maui you too are an atheist, in regards to those gods any way. I simply believe in one fewer than you do.

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    --> @Fallaneze @secularmerlin
    This definition is from the same Stanford source you quoted...

    "Departing even more radically from the norm in philosophy, a few philosophers and quite a few non-philosophers claim that “atheism” shouldn’t be defined as a proposition at all, even if theism is a proposition. Instead, “atheism” should be defined as a psychological state: the state of not believing in the existence of God (or gods)."

    That aligns more with secularmerlin's definition.
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    Indeed I am also skeptical of big foot and alien abduction but there is no specific word for those propositions because skepticism on these subjects is the norm. The word atheism only exists because in this one single matter (religion) and as near as I can tell no other belief without evidence is the default.
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    --> @Fallaneze @secularmerlin
    To say that one should be skeptical of atheism is tantamount to saying one should be skeptical of skepticism.
  • Fallaneze
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    I guess you don't know of any dictionary definition of atheism.

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    I suppose you are unfamiliar with the no true Scotsman argument. I am an atheist and I do not fit the deffinition you have given ergo your definition is incorrect or at least not all encompassing. 
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    The problem is that you're claiming that your view is representative of atheism. That's defined by the word atheism, not your views. You're unable or unwilling to provide a defintion of atheism.

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    The problem as far as I can tell is that you are telling me what I as an atheist must believe and claim. You do not get to tell me what I believe Fallaneze and quite frankly you are generally better than this.
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    --> @Fallaneze
    The problem is that you're claiming that your view is representative of atheism.
    Your  blowing a lot of meaningless hot air, until you can actually;

    1} clarify you definition of what your God is specifically,

    2}offer elaborating description of what your God is specifically.

    You have done neither ergo this thread is meaningless hot { empty } air { mental constructs }.

    Metaphysical-1, spirit-1 ergo suspicious { lack of integrity } spirit-of-intent at best and lacking in any philosophical search for truth at worst.

    The truth exists for those who seek it.  Ive yet to see Fallenese search for truth in earnest.



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    As God is The Ultimate Reality, atheism is a denial of absolute truth. It is nihilism. 

    That being said, not only does nihilism destroy everything, it also destroys itself.

    The hard skepticism inherent in nihilistic ways of thinking is a very easy way of avoiding having to think real hard about anything.



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    --> @Fallaneze
    Be skeptical of theism AND atheism. Too many atheists are skeptical of one only side, theism, and not the other, atheism.
    DEISM IS FUNCTIONALLY IDENTICAL TO ATHEISM.
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    --> @Fallaneze
    I guess you don't know of any dictionary definition of atheism.
    Merriam-Webster Dictionary: "a lack of belief or a strong disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods" (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism)

    Oxford English Dictionary: "Disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods." (https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/atheism)

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    --> @Fallaneze
    It is advisable to define the term philosophically if you want to have a philosophical conversation on it, or someone may conflate the philosophy with skepticism, or things could be further removed by some sort of claim to personal identity.
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    DEISM IS FUNCTIONALLY IDENTICAL TO ATHEISM.
    Admitting that God exists is not atheism.
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    He didn't say it was. He said deism is functionally equivalent to atheism.
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    Deism literally means belief in God.

    That is what the word means.