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  • David
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    Hi guys! At 8:30 PM EST I will be debating Matt Yeaster, a moderator on carm.org's forum and discord server, on the topic "Is Jesus the Jewish Messiah?" I to see you all there. This debate will be broadcasted on YouTube via hangouts on air. Please join us! There will be a Q&A following the debate. The structure is as follows:

    Affirmative Case - 20 mins
    Negative case - 20 mins
    Affirmative CX Negative - 10 mins
    Negative CX Affirmative - 10 mins
    5 minute break
    Affirmative Rebuttal/Close - 10 mins
    Negative Rebuttal/Close - 10 mins

    Total time: 85 mins. 

    This will be an exciting debate! 

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    If you can pls mention to him that you know a guy who thinks Jesus is actually Lucifer and that the link between OT characters and NT is that Satan is actually god of the OT while Lucifer is the more disciplined 'punish forever and lover forever' type of justice-system supporter.

    Lucifer didn't like how OT God would just punish willy nilly and not have any absolute justice system or way of being a 'good guy' etc. This explains also how it's very possible that Lucifer then, when he became the holy ghost after Jesus' body died, went on to become Allah and discuss things with a human he possessed.

    The battle in the Abrahamic religions is between 2 villains; one all-powerful but infinitely bored (Satan/OT-God) and the other severely disciplined and believing in brutal absolutes (Lucifer/Jesus/Allah).

    Satan represents compromise and hedonism, Lucifer represents absolute morality and discipline respectively. The snake in the garden of Eden was OT God, not Lucifer.
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    I am genuinely certain that if the Bible is true, this is the correct series of events.
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    the TV series "Lucifer" is representing Satan, not Lucifer.
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    Lol. Lucifer/the Devil does not exist. In traditional Judaism, Satan is an angel of God who has the mission of tempting people and being the prosecutor before the heavenly court. Angels do not have free will and thus are not fallen. 
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    20 minute cases? Good luck.
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    Yeah. How long should cases generally be? 
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    I would say 9 minutes max. If you feel you can handle twenty minutes, be my guest. I'll try to tune in.
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    --> @blamonkey
    Yeah - though this is a theological/philosophical debates which tend to be longer. Look at debates with Bart Ehrman or Tovia Singer. Cases can be 30 mins long and the full debate can take up to 2.5-3 hours. 
  • RationalMadman
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    Lucifer is not the Devil. The Devil is the enemy of Jesus and Allah. The Devil is the God of the OT in my theory.
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    Lucifer Morningstar, much like Jesus, is seen as a 'lightbearer' of a divine kind but isn't directly divine himself.

    Satan/Shai'tan... The Devil/Iblis is a beast. A brutally 'dark' angel (of darkness vs angel of light who was Lucifer) with a much more persuasive way about gaining loyalty than the signature means of gaining followers that Lucifer uses (which is bullying and brute force).
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    God is with us, through His Word and Spirit.

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    Where's the link?
  • David
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    it Will be posted when it starts 
  • Mopac
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    Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry...


    They are Calvinists!



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    Just gonna leave this here...


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    yeah they are. I’m anti Calvinist in my theology 
  • RationalMadman
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    Calvinists know that in the end God is the ultimate creator of sin, at least they are honest. I hope you debate well.
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    You stated the debate will be aired on YouTube. Will questions come from the YouTube live chat, or do we need to go somewhere else to ask questions? Thank you.
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    how about you give a direct link to the Youtube channel this will be live on and i'll watch. 
  • David
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    there will be a YT chat though I recommend joining the carm discord channel 
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    Join the CARM discord sever for info about debate and Q&A

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    I would say that in the points where Calvinist Christianity and Orthodox Christianity differ, Orthodox Christianity would be closer to Judaism.

    In my experience, Orthodox Christians seem to be more offended at Calvinism than any other form of protestant Christianity. 

  • David
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    yeah I know nothing about orthodox Christianity to make an opinion on it 
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    Could you try sending the link again? I clicked on it, however, it said that the link was expired. Thank you.