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  • Alec
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    2 questions:

    1) Would you classify yourself as right wing or left wing?

    2) Would you agree to the following compromise:

    -AK 47s banned nationwide.
    -Abortions banned nationwide.

    This nation is divided and people talk about compromises, but I don't see much of it.  This is an idea, so do you guys agree to the compromise?
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    Ak 47 = Russian influence

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    1) Would you classify yourself as right wing or left wing?

    Right
    2) Would you agree to the following compromise:

    -AK 47s banned nationwide.
    -Abortions banned nationwide.

    No. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

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    --> @SupaDudz
    Liberal Policies kill people
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    --> @Alec
    These are both state level issues, with constitutional implications.
  • SupaDudz
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    --> @Dr.Franklin
    Liberal policies make people pussies that can't handle themselves

    Im 15 and I make a more stable income than 1/2 of the liberals out there because I can do things for myself
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    it would be dumb for liberals to agree to that compromise, cause AKs are just a fraction of guns out there and abortion would be ended. it would be a no brainer for a conservative to turn that compromise down for the same reason... there are still plenty of guns to go around. 

    if you wanted to make the compromise interesting, do a total gun ban v a total abortion ban. 
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    i should have said it's a no brainer for conservatives to embrace that compromise. 
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    1) Left

    2) This isn't really much of a compromise.  One side gets rid of abortions...the other side gets a loophole to just buy an AR-15.  Unlike most people on the left, I'm all for banning abortion because I think it's morally indefensible in all instances that don't involve rape or a mother being at a high risk of dying during the pregnancy.  HOWEVER it's a bullshit trade for Democrats to lose their wedge issue for Republicans to only ban AK-47 and not all "assault weapons".  A fair compromise, in my opinion, would be to ban all guns for Republicans and for Democrats to ban all abortions. 

    If you just ban AK-47's...someone could just buy an AR-15 or any of the 100 different types of assault rifles.  And as a gun enthusiast myself I know just banning "assault rifles" is a semantic loophole because anything can be an "assault rifle" and any "assault rifle" can amorphously not be classified as an assault rifle based whatever components you do or don't take into consideration.  It just makes more sense to ban all gun to make it comparable to banning all abortions...both sides equally disappointing their base.

    That will actually be the compromise.

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    Indeed, the liberals are doo doo
  • Mopac
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    I think thst the guns and dope party offers the best compromise between left and right.


    Guns for those who want them, no guns for those who don't.

    Drugs for those who want them, no drugs for those who don't. 

    Equal rights for ostriches.

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    --> @CroixRennie
    New offer; Only guns allowed are pistols, rifles, and shotguns in exchange for banning abortions nationwide.  Would you accept?
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    --> @Alec
    1) Would you classify yourself as right wing or left wing?
    Left.
    2) Would you agree to the following compromise:

    -AK 47s banned nationwide.
    -Abortions banned nationwide.
    No.
    New offer; Only guns allowed are pistols, rifles, and shotguns in exchange for banning abortions nationwide.  Would you accept?
    No. I don't think I need to this but I will. Most gun crimes is committed using handguns. 
  • Alec
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    Well, I shouldn't advocate for banning guns because if I do that, then criminals will get guns illegally and commit homicide against people that they know can't defend themselves, so murder skyrockets.
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    Well, I shouldn't advocate for banning guns because if I do that, then criminals will get guns illegally and commit homicide against people that they know can't defend themselves, so murder skyrockets.
    How does that address what I said? 

  • Alec
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    I thought you were against all guns.  I might be wrong on this.
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    I thought you were against all guns.  I might be wrong on this.
    I answered addressing your topic. I said I wouldn't be for banning abortion the positive of having handguns is not a good one. This is because it is used to commit the most violence.

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    This question is addressed to Women I take it, since men have no say in what a woman does with her body.
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    The offer is banning abortions in all situations in exchange for only allowing pistols, rifles, and shotguns to be legally owned.  Since you said, 

    since men have no say in what a woman does with her body.
    I don't think you got the point of this post.
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    New offer; Only guns allowed are pistols, rifles, and shotguns in exchange for banning abortions nationwide.  Would you accept?
    What exactly do you imagine would be banned? Rifles and shotguns are extremely broad categories. For example, an AK-47 is a type of semi-automatic rifle. Semi-automatic rifles are a subset of rifles. The only meaningful type of gun that would be banned that I can think of are revolvers. 
  • Alec
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    By rifles, I refer to hunting rifles.  So only basic, one shot at a time guns would be allowed in exchange for a ban on abortions nationwide under all circumstances.
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    There's still an issue of terminology but lets leave this aside. Do you personally think that this would be a good compromise?
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    I think it would be a good compromise that both sides should agree too.  I don't agree with banning "assault weapons" but I'm willing to if it means abortions are banned.  Heavily restricting abortion worked out well for your country.
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    What do you think about the compromise?
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    The point of banning guns isn't to ban guns. It's to reduce and minimize the associated gun violence. If you were to go by your compromise, what has actually been achieved in this regard? Meanwhile if you were to examine banning all abortions, if your goal is to prevent "lives" lost via abortions, banning all abortions is a fairly complete solution. Value wise, they aren't equal in the slightest.

    If we were to go further and you could offer a complete solution for gun violence in return for a complete abortion ban, from a moral perspective, they would be still unequal in value. Even if you justify banning abortions as saving innocent babies, there's no way to get around the fact that you are trampling on female rights to bodily autonomy to do so. With gun control, I don't believe there is much moral reasoning in being against gun control.

    Finally, such a compromise would be stupid because both parties aren't completely black and white on such issues. Not all democrats wish to ban all guns. And not all republicans wish to ban all abortions. A good compromise is one that pleases the most people. Banning all abortions is incredibly unpopular even among republicans