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    What do Christians need saving from?
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    Personal salvation is the restoration of our original communion with God.

    That communion has not only been broken with those who call themselves Christians. 





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    What do Christians need saving from?
    Themselves.
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    The question was what are you being saved from?
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    The defilement that has tainted God's image in us. 

    And so salvation is union with God.


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    You're being saved from your image of god. The lies you need to tell can only convince the terminally gullible.
    Just admit the truth that you are being saved from nothing, it's all a fantasy to control the gullible.
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    What do Christians need saving from?


    Salvation,  means  preservation or deliverance from harm, ruin, or loss. Did you not "google the word" first to get some comprehension as to what  the word actually meant? If you had there wouldn't have been any need for your now,  redundant question.




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    Saved from what numpty? See if you can buy a thought.
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    Saved from what numpty? See if you can buy a thought.


    Look at the definition you buffoon. Couldn't you see it or couldn't you read it. So when you read the D-E-FI-N-I-T-I-O-N  it clear states saved or delivered from harm,ruin or loss. So now you know this, you can go onto answering my questions.

    Don't think these wild claims of YOURS! are going to fade away anytime soon.
     
    "we have evolved by exactly the same process as every other animal that has ever existed on this planet"? 

    Prove it.


    We all exist in the same reality

    Prove it.


     the word god did not even exist before the middle ages?


    Prove it.


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    SAVE ?  no...the word is USED as a clever TOOL..it implies that YOU are a "Born SINNING scumbag" and you must be punished for even EXISTING ! 

    how WONDERFUL !  welcome to humanity NEWBORN...first you must know that YOU are a SINNER !   a LIAR and a THIEF - you will be PUNISHED

    ....GOD says so....now INFANT....CONFESS -  REPENT - and beg for salvation...

    SALVATION is synonymous with SLAVERY...it is a TOOL WORD....the Parasite VAMPIRES of Jesus and Allah use the word as a scapegoat technique
    that creates FEAR...then through intimidation and VIOLENCE the victim is oppressed and enslaved to the CHURCH...

    That's RIGHT weak minded FOOL...SURRENDER....CONFESS....REPENT....accept that you are WORTHLESS and GOD really despises that you
    even exist.....then do anything and everything YOU are TOLD by the Church/Mosque psychopaths..SLAVE and SERVE them till you drop dead...
    and of course cannot be SAVED for YOU are a BORN SINNER !   get it FOOL you have LOST from the moment you arrived !    IDIOT...go pray now


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    SAVE ?  no...the word is USED as a clever TOOL

    Absolutely correct, in my opinion, WOA. We was created as a slave race of beings - to till the earth - do the bidding of the lords as the theory goes and I have no trouble believing it.

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    SALVATION ?  the word used by world class PSYCHOPATH MIND and LIFE MOLESTERS to enslave weak humans into oppressive bondage and servitude....JESUS ?  ALLAH ?  2 idiots who never existed are the inventions of con artist VAMPIRES who want total control...

    how about the word SOLUTION ?  yes S O L U T I O N.....and what is the SOLUTION to the JESUS and ALLAH God hoax parasite VAMPIRE disease of SLAVERY through SALVATION ?

    EASY...immediately relegate JESUS and ALLAH to Comic Book Mythology along with ZEUS and ODIN....no human owes JESUS or ALLAH anything
    EVER...these pathetic creatures are most likely off world aliens who exploited and genetically engineered the modern human form for their needs...
    then like any species that exploits resources when enough is enough they leave for other worlds to source...just like humans do to EARTH

    WAKE UP RETARDS...the JESUS and ALLAH God hoax must be EXPOSED as the SCAPEGOATS for MURDER and OPPRESSION by their human
    inventors and promoters...

    Until JESUS and or ALLAH actually show themselves to humanity they can be flushed down the TOILET and forgotten....like all the other GODS
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    Why do you say "Jesus" and "Allah" in the same breath when Christians and Muslims don't believe in the same thing? Why is it that you are putting us Orthodox Christians in the same category as those who persecute us relentlessly? We certainly don't persecute Muslims.
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    JESUS and ALLAH.....where are these pathetic GODS ?   you speak the language of the BRAINWASHED and HYPNOTIZED slave drone

    The present is manifesting the END of DAYS for these 2 God imbecile hoaxes....no human ever need either of these disgusting SCAPEGOAT GOD's
    humans like YOU use and abuse to gain control and manipulate the minds and lives of the weak and vulnerable....DISGUSTING....

    The so called GODS of INDIA are never used as TOOLS of OPPRESSION and MURDER like the JESUS and ALLAH God hoaxes....now is the
    TIME and thankfully the youth of EARTH see clearly YOUR LIES and DECEPTION for power and control over them with these pathetic PUPPET
    GOD inventions...

    All CHURCHES and MOSQUES are under siege and will be exterminated over time...these are the CAGES where humans are brainwashed and
    hypnotized into slave drones....they must be destroyed...

    HOW ?   as humanity wakes up to the DECEIT by humans masquerading as GODS in the name JESUS and ALLAH they will turn away from the
    CHURCH and MOSQUE concentration camps...eventually these structures will be knocked down and replaced by useful structures ...

    Unlike the CHRISTIAN and MUSLIM way of using VIOLENCE and DESTRUCTION for control both will be reduced to dust by ATTRITION which
    is already accelerating on a global scale....

    NO HUMAN EVER NEEDS TO BE VALIDATED and APPROVED to EXIST and DIE by some Church or Mosque Parasite VAMPIRE who VOMITS
    all manner of utterly useless and horrifically OBSOLETE and OPPRESSIVE DOGMA...

    Once there were KINGS - QUEENS - EMPERORS.....all have been reduced to a side show....MEANINGLESS TITLES for posterity...POWERLESS 

    Like all BRAINWASHED PUPPET SLAVE DRONES ....YOU are incapable of independent thought and reasoning YOU are owned like a DOG by
    your Parasite VAMPIRE CHURCH CULT....good for YOU....but a NIGHTMARE of DECEIT and DECEPTION for the vulnerable and weak minded
    human....the GOOD NEWS is that YOU and YOUR CULT practitioners will DIE OFF eventually...as all humans do....

    It is the responsibility going FORWARD to RID HUMANITY of these Middle East Jesus and Allah GOD Parasite DISEASES....as anything but 
    Comic Book Mythology for idiots....absolutely NOTHING to MURDER and DIE over....EVER...

    You will take this JESUS garbage to your grave...so be it...no one denies YOU this path...BUT to LIE - CHEAT - ABUSE - EXPLOIT others into 
    your CULT is a CRIME and must be exposed as such....YOU are NOT a GOD..yet you act like one..and that is DANGEROUS....

    These pathetic fools who hide and scapegoat with JESUS and ALLAH to gain control over the minds and lives of others are TRUE TERRORISTS
    they are the greatest THREAT to the OPEN MIND...all innovation and creativity is DESTROYED by these Parasite VAMPIRES of the CHURCH
    and MOSQUE..they must be totally eradicated from this planet....

    The best way is TO IGNORE and NEVER SUPPORT these VAMPIRE SCUM....they depend on ignorance and slaves...NO MORE....
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    So you are being saved from what? No one has answered yet.
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    Why is it that you are putting us Orthodox Christians in the same category as those who persecute us relentlessly? We certainly don't persecute Muslims.
    Words can't describe how utterly horrible you are. The lies that come out of you like this are what does so much damage and is why you and your ilk need to go away, perhaps build a ship and move to Jupiter.

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    So you are being saved from what? No one has answered yet.
    I think the idea is to be saved from the consequences of sin.   Sin is unavoidable, and the consequences of sin are not good at all, but "whoever believes in him [Jesus] shall not perish but have eternal life." (Jn 3:16).

    And that's Christianity in a nutshell.


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    Salvation from the due consequences of our sin, which is the second death. It is eternal separation from God, and as a result an eternal separation from all good things, as God is the source of good things. It is punishment without end, as is the just penalty for the sinner.
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    What do Christians need saving from?
    Since Christianity is false they don't really need saving from anything.
    People can say sin but can't prove their God exists so who cares. 

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    Since Christianity is false they don't really need saving from anything.
    People can say sin but can't prove their God exists so who cares. 

    People are motivated by what they believe, not what is true!   One will never get much understanding of the world by underestimating the power of belief so it is something we should all care about.

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    People are motivated by what they believe, not what is true!   One will never get much understanding of the world by underestimating the power of belief so it is something we should all care about.
    They believe it is true. The problem is fundamental and time and time again showing the falsity of the Christian God they stick to their beliefs. If we can't agree on fundamentals then why should people assume it in order to talk about other things? If they didn't even listen when it comes to lack of evidence of God why would they change their mind about criticisms when it comes to salvation? 

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    The elephant in the room is that the Jesus god is saving you from the Yahweh god and your all to afraid to say it or even think it.
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    Anybody want to address the elephant in the room, or too afraid of the mythical hell?