Another Mas shooting

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  • Nd24007
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    Shooter must have obviously been a legal resident of the USA to make it on CNN's newsboard.
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    Getting really fuckin close to home now. Thank fuck that I stay home and play all my video games rather then go out and play competitively
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    Used to be unstable people would go into a shooting spree from just sitting in traffic, now e-sports?

    Hi-tech rage.
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    Shit I didnt know that the shooter was one of the players IN the competition, I assumed it was just some outside person who chose the madden tourney on a whim. 


  • triangle.128k
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    Here goes the gun control debate
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    And video games making people crazy.
  • TheDredPriateRoberts
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    thank God it wasn't a fps, he might have killed more than 2, not sure if it's true, we'll see if they release and background on him, but I believe he was a big anti-Trumptard and probably antifa wannabe
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    By definition... this isn't a "mass shooting." You need to have at least 4 deaths, not including the suspect, for it to be categorized as a mass shooting. We have only 2 deaths excluding the suspect here. Why is it important? Bc if you use the wrong definitions the media will surely abuse the data to skew it for their own agendas.  

    In any case, this sucks. I watched a video of the footage with only sound and it sounded scary as hell. You can hear the fear in everyone's voice. With that said, i don't know of any purposed gun law that would have stopped this. The only thing that can stop these events, or damper their effect, is another person there with a gun willing to put his/her life on the line to save others.   
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    I use to play Counter Strike semi-professionally and a guy that lost the tournament i was at stabbed one guy right in the neck. I thought to myself, "thank god i lost." He stabbed the sniper... i snipe o_o 
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    yet we don't seek to find the answer to why people lack self control to the point that their rage leads to killing others over the most trivial of reasons.  He could have killed that many with a knife as well.  Point is look for the reason to find a solution.
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    I don't know what that reason or fix could be... personally. At least in our times. Maybe in the future we will have a pill that fixes mental illness, or in these case...psychopathic tendencies. But today.. we are far from that. It is just a fact of our reality right now that there are others that want to cause pain and destruction. The only way to fight it would be to fight them. 

    Maybe if we make our mental health system better it can help, but i'm sure it will be just a little bandage type help. So i don't know how much we can work towards fixing this. Bc people lack self control due to brain chemistry. The vast majority would have just let it go... but this specific individual not only couldn't.. he was also violent. This isn't something we can fix anytime soon. I'm a newb when it comes to medicine but i would bet we are far off being to help these people other than lock them up in prison or a mental ward.   
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    it's complex to be sure, but we seem to make it a low priority and turn a blind eye towards the root cause, we are fine to blame the object for some reason which can't work.
    I suppose metal detectors will be the new norm and these nuts will get worse as will society, oh well no one cares.

    Though I didn't find a ton of information, Australia made a far better effort to address mental health than the U.S. has ever thought of.  If this is something you are interested in you should research it.
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    I don't think it is so much a low priority but people just have no clue what to do. That is why they blame the object so quickly... it's easy. However, i agree blaming the object will do nothing bc it would be a really bad idea and/or a net negative to ban weapons. So.. that will never happen so what are we stuck with? Trying to figure out an impossible problem. But you are also right in pointing out the problem isn't being fixed. I wouldn't say it is due to low priority. I would say it is due to idiotic arguments bw two parties. 

    That is a problem in general with our society. Everyone is truly working towards a centrist type solution... however, the two opposing parties take eons to get to the center bc they bicker incessantly. And it's not only the arguments either that slows progress but the hate. If you found yourself being cussed at, others saying you are dumb, an idiot, etc... and then that person turned around and asked you for help... what would you do? You would be like... F-off. I am not doing something that will help you. That is our reality in a nutshell. Why would the president pass any helpful law that would make the side calling him an idiot all day happy? It's not being able to be amicable that is killing our country slowly. 

    In regards to your Australia comment... just tell me what they did. 
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    I don't have the details about Australia other than they funded it more and increased access to mental health services. 
    What I find interesting in the U.S. is that "well checks" there is no out of pocket costs for.  Yet mental health in certain circumstances can be considered a specialist with the higher copay.
    I would say the majority of the homeless have mental health issues, the solution seems just to shovel their sh1t away and let the charities take care of them.  This goes to my anti illegal argument as well.  As there is a finite number of resources, citizens should get first dibs to meet their needs.  This is not happening.

    to your point imo the left has tipped the boat too far to their side, making everyone a winner means no one knows how to lose gracefully.  When everyone is given a trophy, made to believe they are a winner and no one is a loser, when they aren't aren't, real life can be a shocker to those not exposed or equipped to deal with the harsh realities of life.  These children are being made mentally weak and growing up to be weak minded adults who lash out like children (antifa members good example).  Social media plays it's part in all of this the the ability to deal with and cope has been greatly eroded away from all the sjw b.s.  This nut job is probably a prime example of the by product created with this new theory of how to raise children, that's just my opinion.
    Ironically the number of murders is decreasing so perhaps enabling people to interact and get their entertainment w/o leaving their home is a good thing.  Sure we have to deal with this like this nut job, or swatting but if the over all rates are going down I guess the ends justify the means.
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    That's really interesting how you imply the destruction of the traditional "stay at home" parent model might have something to do with maladjusted young males. Most studies of daycare kids are shocking, turning kids into workaholics who can't form proper relationships with others.
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    discipline starts at home so does self discipline :)  clearly something this nut job lacked.  This would also account for the increasing lack of impulse control often seen by these peter pans.
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    I agree with citizens must come first. It is not only logical but required to have an overall happy society. That is why i am also kinda for war. If these people pouring over here can't fix their own country than we should at least try. Everyone deserves to be free and live happily. Basically, there should be more places like America that people aspire to come to in order to live a prosperous and happy life. It shouldn't just be here... or more accurately, western countries. It's something we must fight for the world to have. Of course i have a lot of caveats to this, like fighting this war with technology instead of death, but it must be fought. But i'm getting off topic, lol. I most definitely think we must do more in regards to mental health. It may not fix anything absolutely, but it will help. 

    I'm centrist bc i believe both sides have faults. With that said, the radical left is much more a nuisance at the moment. There is a lot coming from the left that i am really getting annoyed with... especially having to do with censorship due to SJW b.s. But you are right that things are working out in terms of violent crimes. I think that also has a lot to do with prison sentences. For if they are locked up they can't hurt society. I would like to see more of that, but not until we can figure out our prison system. There really are people that shouldn't be in prison, mainly non-violent offenders. That not only balloons are prison population, it takes focus off of who really needs to be in prison. 

    When it comes to societal issue such as winners/losers... we should at least try to make as may winners as possible, but i do agree that the cold hard fact that you can lose should be taught/enforced. I really think there should be a punishment law where parents won't get in trouble for punishing their kids with "reasonable force." I was scared of my parents... which i think is why i grew up respectful and also new how it felt to not win... even if i thought i was right. I don't know studies going against this, but anecdotally it worked out for me and others i know that had harsher parents. Plus, i think the studies are muddied by parents that actually hurt their kids. I wonder how it would look with a reasonable punishment force from parents. These kids think they can get away with anything... a kid on my street brings up sue this or that all the time. I just want to smack him on the head and be like sue that. lol. He's a little bully and his parents laugh about it. I'm afraid for his future bc someone won't be laughing. Kids need to know this consequence and it starts at home.    
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    we really do agree on many levels.  The lack and no fear of consequences is a serious problem, far more than is talked about or addressed.  This is the rotting away of our society.
    Consider for a moment how many of these instances the nut job turns the gun on himself.  It's something that really difficult to fathom.  If he had just killed himself then I guess I can understand his motives, or if he had shot up the place but not himself.  But to kill and shoot up the place then kill yourself......he brought a gun with him, that wasn't by accident, it was a what if situation, he had it planned out in is his mind of x happened he'd do y imo.
    have you see the video of the 4 year old in a car yelling at the car next to him?  calling the other driver bitch etc and the people in the car laughing?  That's one way it starts.
    then there's all the incidents of students attacking teachers or "parents" cussing out the teacher for attempting to discipline the child.  The nanny state doesn't raise well adjusted adults, yet this seems to be the preference, to let them try.
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    I think that a lot of these mass shootings are about people working through 'power processes' in violent ways, which is itself symptomatic of technological 'advance', overcrowding, and the social effects of unending economic growth within a capitalist model. Modern society gives people very little to be satisfied about. It is characterized by a profound disconnect with nature, economic stagnation, stifling control, and a breakdown in ordered society that tends to inversely trend with socio-economic status. In fact, the gaming itself is also a symptom of this, which is what I think that psychologists looking for a link between the two often stumble over. People play games because they grow up with all of their essential needs met, and many of their secondary needs stiffled to some degree. They fill in the gap that is usually filled by a meaningful struggle for survival and reproduction with insatiable desires for money, hedonistic indulgence, escapism, virtual success, the pursuit of inessential knowledge, etc. Gaming is just one facet of this. Then when people are unhappy because of these systematic influences from our cultural 'megamachine', society at large seeks to chemically alter the state of their brain to make what is intolerable to a healthy human being tolerable to them. Is it really any surprise that people snap and act out power fantasies, or 'rule breaking', as a form of rebellion or just naked stress relief? Personally, I think things are only going to get worse and worse. We've already seen in England literal knife control legislation, so thinking that gun control will fix systemic and incredibly complex problems like this is wrong; it won't fix the source of the violence, only tinker with the avenue through which it expresses itself. But it's kind of like steam: you can't bottle up a closed system if the boiler is still chugging away without something bursting catastrophically.

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    You admit not knowing anything about him but you're sure he must fit into two categories of people you hate. And you hate them because faux news told you too. Hooray.
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    I judge him my his actions, don't you?