Should scripture be read by all?

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    "No. For that all Scripture is divinely-inspired and profitable {cf. 2 Timothy 3:16} we know, and is of such necessity, that without the same it is impossible to be Orthodox at all. Nevertheless they should not be read by all, but only by those who with fitting research have inquired into the deep things of the Spirit, and who know in what manner the Divine Scriptures ought to be searched, and taught, and in fine read. But to such as are not so exercised, or who cannot distinguish, or who understand only literally, or in any other way contrary to Orthodoxy what is contained in the Scriptures, the Catholic Church, as knowing by experience the mischief arising therefrom, forbiddeth the reading of the same. So that it is permitted to every Orthodox to hear indeed the Scriptures, that he may believe with the heart unto righteousness, and confess with the mouth unto salvation; {Romans 10:10} but to read some parts of the Scriptures, and especially of the Old [Testament], is forbidden for the aforesaid reasons and others of the like sort. For it is the same thing thus to prohibit persons not exercised thereto reading all the Sacred Scriptures, as to require infants to abstain from strong meats."



    Are the Scriptures plain to all Christians that read them?

    "If the Divine Scriptures were plain to all Christians that read them, the Lord would not have commanded such as desired to obtain salvation to search the same; {John 5:39} and Paul would have said without reason that God had placed the gift of teaching in the Church; {1 Corinthians 13:28} and Peter would not have said of the Epistles of Paul that they contained some things hard to be understood. {2 Peter 3:16} It is evident, therefore, that the Scriptures are very profound, and their sense lofty; and that they need learned and divine men to search out their true meaning, and a sense that is right, and agreeable to all Scripture, and to its author the Holy Spirit.

    So that as to those that are regenerated [in Baptism], although they must know the faith concerning the Trinity, the incarnation of the Son of God, His passion, resurrection, and ascension into the heavens, what concerneth regeneration and judgment — for which many have not hesitated to die — it is not necessary, but rather impossible, that all should know what the Holy Spirit manifesteth to those alone who are exercised in wisdom and holiness."


    (From the confession of Dositheus)


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    So the conclusion here is that it is not fit for unbelievers and heretics to interpret scripture. Scripture belongs to The Orthodox Church, and it is what The Church teaches about scripture and its meaning that matters.


    Indeed, all Christian heresies make use of scripture. Yet, they twist scripture to conform to their false doctrines. Likewise, atheists and other unbelievers use scripture to avoid understanding what we really believe, instead arrogantly telling us what we believe.


    Yet our religion is simple and pure. Our religion is loving God, and loving mankind who is made in the image of God.

    And The Orthodox Church is the very church of Jesus Christ and The Apostles, the church that all others can be traced back to deviation from. 




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    Look if you don't feel it fit for others to give scripture a go , why did you guys put it out there. 


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    --> @Mopac
    So the conclusion here is that it is not fit for unbelievers and heretics to interpret scripture. Scripture belongs to The Orthodox Church, and it is what The Church teaches about scripture and its meaning that matters.


    Indeed, all Christian heresies make use of scripture. Yet, they twist scripture to conform to their false doctrines. Likewise, atheists and other unbelievers use scripture to avoid understanding what we really believe, instead arrogantly telling us what we believe.


    Yet our religion is simple and pure. Our religion is loving God, and loving mankind who is made in the image of God.

    And The Orthodox Church is the very church of Jesus Christ and The Apostles, the church that all others can be traced back to deviation from.

    The reason people left the Orthodox Church and formed other Churches is because the Orthodix Church is no longer relevant. It's still stuck in the past. 
  • Mopac
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    2nd largest communion of those calling themselves Christians in the world.

    Since you are dishonest and don't care about what is true, I suggest you go off somewhere and stand on one foot until you are granted divinity.


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    --> @Mopac
    "So that as to those that are regenerated [in Baptism], although they must know the faith concerning the Trinity, the incarnation of the Son of God, His passion, resurrection, and ascension into the heavens, what concerneth regeneration and judgment — for which many have not hesitated to die — it is not necessary, but rather impossible, that all should know what the Holy Spirit manifesteth to those alone who are exercised in wisdom and holiness."

    So the conclusion here is that it is not fit for unbelievers and heretics to interpret scripture. Scripture belongs to The Orthodox Church, and it is what The Church teaches about scripture and its meaning that matters.


    Actually, what it says is that ordinary, rank and file believers only need to know the essentals, i.e. "Trinity, the incarnation of the Son of God, His passion, resurrection, and ascension into the heavens, what concerneth regeneration and judgment" but the deeper meaning of scripture is for "those alone who are exercised in wisdom and holiness.", which I suppose means properly trained priests.

    I wonder what secrets your church is keeping away friom you, mopac.  Of course, you can't know!

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    For those who want, there is a wealth of writing material on the Mystagogy of the faith accumulated over our long ancient history. Openly available.

    If I wasn't personally well aquainted with much of these writings of the church, I would not speak as I do.



    But yes, you should learn with the guidance of a priest, which is simply due humility.

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    2nd largest communion of those calling themselves Christians in the world.

    Since you are dishonest and don't care about what is true, I suggest you go off somewhere and stand on one foot until you are granted divinity.



    China and India are the two largest populations in the world and they don't call themselves Christians. 
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    Why don't you go drink some of that holy sewer water from the Ganges or something and get mystical. Do some breathing exercises afterwords, and be mezmorized by the spiritual delusions you take as visions. Maybe one day you'll wake up, realize you are god, and make some Maseratis off of gullible yoga pants wearing housewives from California who still haven't figured out that stretching is something you do before exercising.






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    Why don't you go drink some of that holy sewer water from the Ganges or something and get mystical. Do some breathing exercises afterwords, and be mezmorized by the spiritual delusions you take as visions. Maybe one day you'll wake up, realize you are god, and make some Maseratis off of gullible yoga pants wearing housewives from California who still haven't figured out that stretching is something you do before exercising.


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    Scripture is important