Pie chart method for electing presidents

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    We need the pie chart system for how people get into the office of the president of the United States.  How this would work? Let's say you have an election and the democrats win 55% of the vote, the GOP wins 40% of the vote, and the libertarians get 5% of the vote.  Under the future NPV voting system, which I think is inevitable as more and more states are signing on to NPV whether or not you like it, the democrats could win the whole presidency even if a majority of the population doesn’t support them due to third parties.  Even if Democrats win the majority, they are alienating other non democrats by being in office. As society becomes more liberal and the democrats continue to get more and more power, they would be alienating the few right wingers that exist. With non Democrats realizing that they will never be able to win another presidency again, they would want to break away from the country causing a war.

    How to prevent this: The pie chart method.  Let's say you have an election and the democrats win 55% of the vote, the GOP wins 40% of the vote, and the libertarians get 5% of the vote.  Rather than the democrats getting all of the presidency to themselves, they split it based off of their voting turnout. In the situation mentioned previously, they get their representative to be president for 55% of a term, the GOP gets their representative to be in power for 40% of a term, and the libertarians get to be in office for 5% of a term.  No one is without a voice in the presidency. Everyone gets power, and no one is left out.

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    Do you want us to lose very fucking election?
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    Do you want us to lose very fucking election?
  • Alec
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    If the GOP gets 25 percent of the vote, then with the pie chart method, they get their candidate to be president for 25 percent of a term.
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    Who is elected first?

    Is it still a two-party system? 
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    So its a popular vote, great we lose
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    So its a popular vote, great we lose

    That's only because you are consevitards and most people are humans.
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    Woo participation trophies for coming in 2nd. That's American.
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    Who is elected first?
    I don't think it matters.

    Is it still a two-party system
    Hopefully not.  This way, the parties that branch out of the democrats and Republicans are more ideologically consistent with their goals.  For example, a theocrat party would be pro life and against homosexuality, but they would also be alright with immigration and would be socialists, since that would be their interpretation of the bible.  There may be a capitalist theocrat party that believes in the entire theocrat belief except for the socialist part since they would see God as a capitalist.  There would also be a feminist party that supports the 2nd amendment because guns prevent rape.



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    no it a because Democrats brainwash blacks and as there population increases, unless candince owens goes ham, we’re screwed
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    Yes it does matter who is elected first.

    You haven't shown how they are going to be more ideological consistency instead I see one group ruling whereas every other are powerless against their support. You wouldn't like it if they leaned to the left. I would like it if they leaned right. I guess you said hope but hope is not really enough to make something possible. It can determination but not results.

    Your examples I think are unlikely to occur. I am thinking if that ever happened Republicans would be the ruling group whether it be through wealthy donors or unfaithful democrats. More so money since I don't think there is too many which would switch sides or many that actually had a large following in the democratic party.



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    Yes it does matter who is elected first.
    If every party gets their turn, why does it matter?

    You haven't shown how they are going to be more ideological consistency
    Because it would lead to the end of the 2 party system and would produce groups that are more ideologically consistent.

    I see one group ruling whereas every other are powerless against their support.
    For their portion of a term, yes.  The democrats have almost unrestricted power for their part of a lets say 10 year term.  After that, another group takes their place, maybe the libertarians for their part of a term.  Then, the GOP gets their part of a term (assuming there were only 3 parties involved in the race).  After that, people vote to see what party they liked the best.  

    You wouldn't like it if they leaned to the left.
    I would tolerate it for their portion of a term.  After that, the libertarians rule, then the GOP rules.


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    If every party gets their turn, why does it matter?
    If I get to become the leader of the US it doesn't matter? You do know I would be the first to have an impact on laws right?
    Because it would lead to the end of the 2 party system and would produce groups that are more ideologically consistent.
    You haven't demonstrated that. 
    I would tolerate it for their portion of a term.  After that, the libertarians rule, then the GOP rules.
    What if the left wins every portion?
     I guess you said hope but hope is not really enough to make something possible. It can determination but not results.
    I would like you to reply to what I quoted above.
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    If I get to become the leader of the US it doesn't matter? You do know I would be the first to have an impact on laws right?
    Yes.  The GOP can overturn whatever they don't like by the time they get into office.

    You haven't demonstrated that. 
    Out of the democrats, there are many smaller groups such as Feminists and Black lives matter.  These groups would break away from the democrats so they can get power and implement policies that benefit solely their interest group.  For example, out of the feminists, they would implement policies that benefit women, from Pro choice policies to demanding equal pay, to supporting the 2nd amendment, which protects women from rapists.

    What if the left wins every portion?
    The left would have to win virtually 100% of the popular vote in order to be in office indefinitely.  Under our current system, they could only win 60% of the vote give or take 5 percentage points or less, and they would have power for the foreseeable future.  Under my system, they would only be in power for about 60% of a term.  The rest goes to ideological minorities.

    Worst case scenario, it's still a 2 party system.  But this isn't reality and there are many different types of democrats and Republicans and all branches of these 2 party groups deserve their own party instead of being represented by the democrats or republicans.
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    For example, a theocrat party would be pro life and against homosexuality, but they would also be alright with immigration and would be socialists, since that would be their interpretation of the bible.
    What part of "The Bible" is anti-immigration?

    Leviticus 19:34 - The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God. [LINK]
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    What part of "The Bible" is anti-immigration?


    "Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work,"

    Titus 3:1

    Thats a consverative viewpoint on immigration

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    Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work, 2 to speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people

    From your own [LINK]

    So let me get this straight, you're saying that "The Bible" is "anti-immigration" because it says "be submissive to rulers"??????????????????????

    This is an argument that supports any and all possible policies of TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENTS. 

    This passage has absolutely nothing specifically to say about immigration.

    Is America invalid/illegal (according to "The Bible") because it was formed by people who were not - "submissive to rulers"?
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    No, I claimed

    "Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work,Thats a consverative viewpoint on immigration


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    No, I claimed

    "Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work,Thats a consverative viewpoint on immigration
    I don't see the word immigrant or immigration anywhere in that passage.

    You need to be more specific.
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    Them means immigrants
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    Them means immigrants
    Where, which passage explains them = "immigrants"?

    Because when I looked, it said "bond servants".  So, unless you own slaves, WTF?
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    Foreigners are slaves
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    Foreigners are slaves
    No, they are most certainly not.

    Please find a passage in the most holy scripture that actually explains how a nation should treat immigrants.
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    Titus 3

     Remind them to be subject to rulers and authorities, to obey, to be ready for every good work, 2 to speak evil of no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing all humility to all men. 3 For we ourselves were also once foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful and hating one another. 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

    8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I want you to affirm constantly, that those who have believed in God should be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable to men.

    9 But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless. 10 Reject a divisive man after the first and second admonition, 11 knowing that such a person is warped and sinning, being self-condemned.

    12 When I send Artemas to you, or Tychicus, be diligent to come to me at Nicopolis, for I have decided to spend the winter there. 13 Send Zenas the lawyer and Apollos on their journey with haste, that they may lack nothing. 14 And let our people also learn to maintain good works, to meet urgent needs, that they may not be unfruitful.

    15 All who are with me greet you. Greet those who love us in the faith.
    Grace be with you all. Amen.

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    Ok, do you read the Bible, Immigrants have always been slaves.

    Israelites, Caananites,Babylyions have all been slaves