TRUE Christians have to accept that Jesus was an ABORTIONIST!

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    ethang5,

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    DEBATEART ALERT!!!

    Ethang5 is in this thread, but has yet to actually discuss the main topic of Jesus being an abortionist, of which I have had to accept. All that ethang5 can do is to RUN AWAY FROM THIS BIBLICAL AXIOM because of his abhorred bible ignorance. 

    Whats new? Nothing!

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    Whats new? Nothing!
    Then it was silly to post Dee Dee.

    But then I realized, silliness may be your aim. There is no way one could so persistently chase silliness if it were not willful.

    So, you have my blessing. Be as silly as you like. Make vacuous posts. But when bolding, caps, and underlining stop working for you, (as you new use of the "+" sign would indicate) what will you do?
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    Ethang5,

    1. You are in MY THREAD where you have yet to discuss the main topic at hand!  Are the chicken feathers piled too high around your computer where you can't see the screen? LOL!

    2. Your lame and childish conservative excuses of not engaging upon the topic are becoming tiresome. You continually are exposed over and over  and over and over again that you know more can discuss disturbing biblical axioms than Dr. Franklin or EtrnlVw can! But, yet you still impose your runaway tactics as if you love to have proverbial egg continuously upon your face! LOL!


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    Ethang5 is in this thread, but has yet to actually discuss the main topic of Jesus being an abortionist, of which I have had to accept. All that ethang5 can do is to RUN AWAY FROM THIS BIBLICAL AXIOM because of his abhorred bible ignorance. 

    Whats new? Nothing!

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    Ethang5, let me help you to not continually RUN AWAY from disturbing biblical axioms, okay? Tell me your pants size and address in a message, and I will purchase some "BIG BOY PANTS" for you to wear at DEBATEART Religion forum! Therefore, you just might be able to discuss my topic threads instead of continually and embarrassingly RUNNING AWAY from them! Agreed?

    If you don't accept this help, then expect to see your MO on this forum logically degrade to the point of Dr. Franklin or EtrnlVw, where you don't want this to happen, do you? LOL!


    You are so predicable that it is not fun anymore in making you the complete bible ignorant fool. :(


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    Like I have said many times, it is really hard in being a TRUE Christian in the 21st century, where when you have read ALL of the bible, you therefore run upon another biblical axiom that shows are beloved Jesus, as Yahweh God incarnate, being a brutal sadistic serial killer abortionist. 

    As if Jesus’ Great Flood wasn’t enough in being an abortionist, by murdering innocent zygotes, fetus,’babies, and children, then Jesus’ serial killing abortionist nature holds true once again with His brutal and horrific killing of innocent children and fetus’ as dictated by him in the narrative below: 

    JESUS AS YAHWEH GOD INCARNATE SAID: “The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for their children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone.  I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre.  But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered oh Lord. what should I request for your people? I will ask for the wombs that don’t give birth and breast that give no milk. The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them.  I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions.  I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels.  The people of Israel are stricken.  Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit.  And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children. (Hosea 9:11-16) 
    Since I am short of time today, I will be brief by not addressing the whole OP or in detail. 

    Please note what is being done here. It is called 'selective citing' or 'collapsing the context' and what it does is it does not present an accurate understanding of the Christian worldview but a tainted and biased one. Once a person takes into consideration the rest of the context or the overall theme (doctrine) that person would understand that God and Israel are in covenant relationship (Deuteronomy 28) and that God is judging wrongful action. As I have argued many times before, God is just. God will not take an innocent life by restoring it to a better place. That is something that makes us different from God. We do not have the ability to restore a life taken. 

    In reading yet another example of our ever loving and forgiving Jesus being shown once again to be a sadistic brutal abortionist murderer of innocent fetus' and children, really tests my faith in wanting to worship Him at times.   Fellow Christians, since Jesus is shown in not being pro-life in the Hosea narrative above, does this test your faith as well?
    Again, I contend that this, the outrage of loaded language (i.e., sadistic brutal murderer of innocents, brutal, revengeful, and disgusting abortionist, advocates child murder, infanticide, child abuse and abortion), is antithetical to what the Scriptures teach of Jesus.

    We Christians are against abortion 100 percent, but then the bible shows that our Jesus was a brutal, revengeful, and disgusting abortionist that turns us into hypocrites upon the abortion issue!  Furthermore, our Jesus advocates child murder, infanticide, child abuse and abortions within the Bible, now what do we do in His defense!
    Matthew 19:13-14 (NASB)
    Jesus Blesses Little Children
    13 Then some children were brought to Him so that He might lay His hands on them and pray; and the disciples rebuked them. 14 But Jesus said, [a]Let the children alone, and do not hinder them from coming to Me; for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.”
    Footnotes:
    1. Matthew 19:14 Or Permit the children

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    Listen, my extreme MO on this forum is vouchsafed by Jesus' inspired words, to wit:  "Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reproverebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. (2 Timothy 4:2)

    reprove: reprimand or censure someone.
    rebuke:  express sharp disapproval or criticism of someone because of their behavior or actions.
    exhort:  strongly encourage or urge someone to do something.

    Do you want to call Jesus's inspired words as LIES shown above in how I am to act regarding preaching His words to the ignorant pseudo-christians like you? Yes?
    Each person should be careful about how they build on His words so I will be using this reply in the sense of a rebuke and reprimand. Paul warned those who misrepresented the gospel message that there were consequences.

    Galatians 1:6-10 (NASB)
    Perversion of the Gospel
    I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!
    10 For am I now seeking the favor of men, or of God? Or am I striving to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a bond-servant of Christ.

    Thus, it is the onus of someone professing faith in Christ to do his/her best to accurately represent His teaching, not twist it.

    2 Timothy 2:15 (NASB)
    15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.

    So, when God brings understanding it is important to not misrepresent that understanding or the person will be proven a false witness by that very Scripture. 

    2 Corinthians 10:3-5 (NASB)
    For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh, for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but divinely powerful for the destruction of fortresses. We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ,

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    PGA2.0,

    I am feeling overly nice today because of easily Bible Slapping the notorious ethang5 silly because of his blatant biblical ignorance to my threads that he refuses to engage within, other than to run away from them, therefore, I will just post the passage in question with its revealing, disgusting and sickening outcomes. If you want to turn yourself into another pretzel to try in vain to make Jesus not a brutal serial killer in Hosea 9:11-16, then that will be your apologetic and deceiving hermeneutic prerogative at your laughable expense, okay?


    JESUS AS YAHWEH GOD INCARNATE IS TO BRUTALLY MURDER INNOCENT ZYGOTES, FETUS' AND BABIES LIKE HE DID IN HIS GREAT FLOOD SCENARIO, PRAISE!: 

    “The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for their children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone.  I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre.  But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered oh Lord. what should I request for your people? I will ask for the wombs that don’t give birth and breast that give no milk. The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them.  I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions.  I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels.  The people of Israel are stricken.  Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit.  And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children. (Hosea 9:11-16) 

    The irony of this narrative, and in comparison, is like when our Jesus brutally drowned innocent zygotes, fetus' and babies in His Great Flood ( Genesis 6:5where His creation were evil in that instance as well.  BUT, Jesus created evil in the first place as explicitly shown in  Isaiah 45:7 and Amos 3:6, and then drowns His entire creation because of it! Jesus, you ol' kidder you! Then to make matters worse, Jesus, as Yahweh God incarnate, is omniscient, therefore He knew way beforehand that He was going to murder innocent zygotes, fetus' and babies in His Great Flood AND His enacting abortions in the book of Hosea!  WOW! Is this how our ever loving and forgiving Jesus is to act? Huh?

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    PGA2.0, when Jesus is shown to brutally murder innocent zygotes, fetus' and babies with many examples shown within the scriptures,  do we now stay away from making Family Planning Clinics stop aborting zygotes and fetus too?  If we continue to picket said Family Planning Clinics in the name of Christianity, isn't that totally hypocritical to our faith because of Jesus murdering innocent life as well ?! 

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    PGA2.0, what division of Christianity are you associated with? While awaiting an answer from you,  let your additional Devil Speak and insidious apologetic spin doctoring begin upon this topic at your expense.



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    I am feeling overly nice today
    Well, that is so nice of you!

    I will just post the passage in question with its revealing, disgusting and sickening outcomes. If you want to turn yourself into another pretzel to try in vain to make Jesus not a brutal serial killer in Hosea 9:11-16, then that will be your apologetic and deceiving hermeneutic prerogative at your laughable expense, okay?
    What you posted is a snippet of the greater context. Thus, you do not represent biblical teaching accurately. Here is the theme of the rest of the context as it related to the overarching theme of the Old Covenant:

    Ephraim Punished
    Do not rejoice, O Israel, with exultation like the nations!
    For you have played the harlot, forsaking your God.
    You have loved harlots’ earnings on every threshing floor.

    The days of punishment have come,
    The days of retribution have come;
    Let Israel know this!
    The prophet is a fool,
    The inspired man is demented,
    Because of the grossness of your iniquity,
    And because your hostility is so great.

    10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness;
    I saw your forefathers as the earliest fruit on the fig tree in its first season.
    But they came to Baal-peor and devoted themselves to shame,
    And they became as detestable as that which they loved.

    15 All their evil is at Gilgal;
    Indeed, I came to hate them there!
    Because of the wickedness of their deeds
    I will drive them out of My house!
    I will love them no more;
    All their princes are rebels.

    17 My God will cast them away
    Because they have not listened to Him;
    And they will be wanderers among the nations.

    JESUS AS YAHWEH GOD INCARNATE IS TO BRUTALLY MURDER INNOCENT ZYGOTES, FETUS' AND BABIES LIKE HE DID IN HIS GREAT FLOOD SCENARIO, PRAISE!: 

    “The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for their children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone.  I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre.  But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered oh Lord. what should I request for your people? I will ask for the wombs that don’t give birth and breast that give no milk. The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them.  I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions.  I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels.  The people of Israel are stricken.  Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit.  And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children. (Hosea 9:11-16) 

    The irony of this narrative, and in comparison, is like when our Jesus brutally drowned innocent zygotes, fetus' and babies in His Great Flood ( Genesis 6:5where His creation were evil in that instance as well.
    God is the giver and taker of life. That is His prerogative, not ours. He determines how long upon this earth we have and as I said before, and you totally ignore, if God takes an innocent life He will restore it to a better place. 

     BUT, Jesus created evil in the first place as explicitly shown in  Isaiah 45:7 and Amos 3:6, and then drowns His entire creation because of it!
    Isaiah 45:7 (NASB)
    The One forming light and creating darkness,
    Causing well-being and creating calamity;
    I am the Lord who does all these.

    Amos 3:6 (NASB)
    If a trumpet is blown in a city will not the people tremble?
    If a calamity occurs in a city has not the Lord done it?

    As God promised and they agreed to if the people failed to walk or follow His ways He would withdraw His hand of protection from them and let their enemies overcome them. The covenant He made with them was an "if/then" covenant. It showcased that those who follow God receive blessings and are protected by Him. Those who do not He withdraws His hand of protection and allows their enemies victory and by their cruel manner of bondage and restraint to the point of death.  

    Jesus, you ol' kidder you! Then to make matters worse, Jesus, as Yahweh God incarnate, is omniscient, therefore He knew way beforehand that He was going to murder innocent zygotes, fetus' and babies in His Great Flood AND His enacting abortions in the book of Hosea!  WOW! Is this how our ever loving and forgiving Jesus is to act? Huh?
    A loving God will not ignore injustice and wrongdoing. How would a judge be good or just if he ignored what was right and good? Those traits of injustice and sin not only affect those who practice them but those around them. Evil is likened to yeast in dough, it spreads to affect the whole batch. 

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    PGA2.0, when Jesus is shown to brutally murder innocent zygotes, fetus' and babies with many examples shown within the scriptures,  do we now stay away from making Family Planning Clinics stop aborting zygotes and fetus too?  If we continue to picket said Family Planning Clinics in the name of Christianity, isn't that totally hypocritical to our faith because of Jesus murdering innocent life as well ?! 
    I have already answered this in this post and the previous one and you ignored my answer.


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    PGA2.0, what division of Christianity are you associated with? While awaiting an answer from you,  let your additional Devil Speak and insidious apologetic spin doctoring begin upon this topic at your expense.



    I am not of a division with other Christians in fundamental beliefs regarding the Lord Jesus. Christians profess certain fundamental truths about Him or they believe falsely or are immature in their belief. 
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    If Jesus is, he'd be a hypocrite since the New Testament is pro life.
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    You are in MY THREAD where you have yet to discuss the main topic at hand!
    All your silly updates and notices have taken up the space.

    Instead of discussing the thread topic, you have chosen to waste your time babbling about embarrassing people and slapping them with bibles.

    You are the reason your thread topic is being ignored. As I told you, no one will take you seriously if you continue behaving like a hobo preacher.