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    I've tried this before but didn't get a good response but let's try it again. Pretend the Bible doesn't exist and all the little things you hate about it and religion, while we're at it let's assume God exists just for this thread. The reason for this would be so that you can concoct questions and ideas about God without the judgement of the Bible in the way. Believe it or not the Creator exists with or without the Bible, in other words the Bible doesn't dictate anything. What it does do in many cases, is give you some ideas and clues about the mysteries of spirituality however perfection is out of the question so at some point you will need to get over it. But....if it's something that annoys you and you can't get over the mistakes within it then all is not lost, the Creator still exists and so is the nature of your being to understand that reality. Forget about it for just this moment, let the influence of Christianity go...let's get a little deeper in this topic, give me what you got, questions, arguments or ideas about God and the soul that have no relevance to the Bible.

    I want to do this because often times the Bible get's in the way of what could be great inquiries and discussions, we spend far too much time debating errors in that literature. Far too much wasted time in religious forums all over the internet with the wrong understanding and misconceptions because of what religion has done in the name of "God" and some of the stupidity within religious texts.
    You, as an individual soul still have an origin and a purpose within creation apart from all that baloney, the Bible is just a source to find a connection but it's not necessary for your involvement. Feel free to be creative and limitless in your inquiries. If you can't seem to get over the follies of religion and the Bible then don't comment or respond, just go to the next thread about the Bible! This topic will be directly about the Creator without religion or scriptural texts involved. Fun right? yes it is give it a go....I'll do my best to just speak plain truth and relevant facts without any specific reference to any religions, although some things may be unavoidable because there are many facts about God within such texts.
    But again, this is not about religion or the Bible and I am not pressed to push that on you. 

    I do have a real passion for atheists in general, so while religious people can participate my heart is more towards you guys (atheists). 

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    The ONLY God that would still exist WITHOUT said God's writings describing Him or Her, is the Deist God concept.

    DEISM: belief in a God who created the world but has since remained indifferent to it and remains nonexistent to earths inhabitants.

    It would be comical to watch your proposition in use, whereas the people that would follow your dissertation would have to use Metaphysical Constructs as its foundation, as "Anything goes" where the mind can masturbate itself into feeling good in whatever it wants in accepting a God concept as you described!  LOL


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    Obviously it is nearly impossible to have a real discussion here
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    --> @EtrnlVw
    I am a Vedantist raised in the Vedantic tradition and trained in esoteric scriptures, Christian Theology and Islamic Fundamentalism. My concept of God is all encompassing. It includes Karma, transcendental aspirations and the quantum consciousness driven entanglements in our realm and beyond.
    Scriptures keeps us grounded because it deals with the problems of the one, many and others. Our experiences, perspectives and developments are different. Language is the great unifier.
    I think therefore I am.
    As a Bible scholar and a spiritual leader the means justify the end. If you are distracted by what you see it is Maya.

    Harikrish
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    Obviously it is nearly impossible to have a real discussion here
    If you are looking for intimacy, try a dating site. Here the sound of one hand clapping doesn't resonate very far.
  • EtrnlVw
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    I am a Vedantist raised in the Vedantic tradition and trained in esoteric scriptures, Christian Theology and Islamic Fundamentalism.
    How many times can you repeat the same thing? I know exactly what you claim to be. Did you think I forgot six years or more ago your silly title lol? geeze you don't get do ya? I don't like stale baloney.
    My concept of God is all encompassing.
    Sometimes I wonder if you even embrace a concept of the Creator. Is everything you do and say generic? or do you actually believe it?
    It includes Karma, transcendental aspirations and the quantum consciousness driven entanglements in our realm and beyond.
    With your behavior one would have to wonder again do you actually believe in Karma or is it just fun for you to repeat such sentiments?
    Scriptures keeps us grounded because it deals with the problems of the one, many and others. Our experiences, perspectives and developments are different. Language is the great unifier.
    The problem with this is yet again, it doesn't match your actions. So it comes off as just another generic fun thing for you to say, not do or agree with in a real way. There is nothing unifying or grounded about Harikrish, he is a lost little soul in a reality where he doesn't really apply or get anything.
    I think therefore I am.
    Wrong Hari, it's I am therefore I think. The one comes before the other, whoever thought of that statement didn't think real hard lol.
    As a Bible scholar and a spiritual leader the means justify the end. If you are distracted by what you see it is Maya.
    No Biblical scholar and certainly no leader, is everything you claim just stale baloney?

    I'll tell you what, I'll give you another chance to ask a question or get out of your false persona, even the prideful Harikrish needs some answers. Give it a try, let me see something real, only I really doubt you will ever do that. Bye bye.

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    The ONLY God that would still exist WITHOUT said God's writings describing Him or Her, is the Deist God concept.

    Give God whatever labels you want, God still exists apart from writings...can be experienced apart from writings! Amazing people can't get such a simple truth. 
     
    It would be comical to watch your proposition in use

    One way to find out.
    Start with anything you wish to know or understand. Otherwise buzz off. 
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    Yeah but why not try? nothing else good going on in this forum. People love to babble about the Bible all day long, why not try something new? 
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    Ethang exposed your profile picture, trad exposed you are a women
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    Ethang exposed your profile picture, trad exposed you are a women
    That just proves how confused they are. They dare not show their Facebook account.
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    Because facebook steals your information, no one wants to be there
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    Because facebook steals your information, no one wants to be there
    When you have nothing to hide like Harikrish, it's not a problem. 
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    Yes it is, They are brainwashing you and getting your IP and addresses
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    Yes it is, They are brainwashing you and getting your IP and addresses
    I have hundreds of friends on Facebook.

    Debateart like DDO is a discussion forum. We have to end this social talk. Go join a chat site. 

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    Facebook steals your data
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    Nice post man FULL STOP

    Ok Now i have to act the fool.
    I did what was asked in your post. Playing pretendy's is my thing. You know its my thing.hey?
    Ok so. ' takes deep breath ' 
    Gone.  no bible.
    No bible 
    No bible .
    And bammmmmmm ,  No religious groups 
    No religious groups.
    Everyones the same .
    All are the same 
    Nothing 
    Nothing .
    Andddddddddddddd.
    Boooooommmmmmm. Bright white light.
    Bright white light god , I've got a bright white light god.

    Quickly , quickly What now? 
    Oh no what is the next step?
    ' God starts to fade ' 
    Gone. 

    Damit.

    That was the closest I've ever been to God. 
    For some reason The bright light i see i think its " name " is allan or allarm or something along thoes lines.
    I'm not sure what that is about, but ummmmmmm yeah 
    ' kicks dirt ' 
    Ok cool. 

    Good game.
    Good game.



     

      



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    The whole bible getting in the way thing is a big ummmmm , turnoff. 
    It feels like your, that's you and the other groups, are just painting god REAL REAL THICK LIKE. 
    It BRUSH IN ALL THE WAY NO WIPES AND JUST SLAP APPLY. 
    COAT 
    AFTER COAT.AFTER COAT.
    You know what i mean?


    How is a kid ever going to realize that Corn invented humans ?
    A KID WILL ATTACH RELIGIOUS GROUPS HAVIG SOMETHING TO DO WITH BELIEVING IN A GOD.and that i think is a ( i dont know the word ) its a shame . 
     
    Hang on. Science does this also. This metaphor of painting gods , ( tar brushing is it? )

    Fair enough.
    Im going now.
    Good day.sir


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    Andddddddddddddd

    ( RANT MODE DEACTIVATE ) enter.

    That was close
    Just let it go.
    Let it go.
     


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    Im just here because of the Frozen reference. 
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    If you ditch scriptiure then it's hard to know what is meant by the word 'god'.
    I suggest there are two schools of thought. One holds hat consciuosness is fundamental an the material universe was brouht into eistence by sconsciousness the other schoolholds that matter is fundamental and consciuosness arises from a serendipitous arrangement of matter.

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    --> @EtrnlVw
    I've tried this before but didn't get a good response but let's try it again. Pretend the Bible doesn't exist and all the little things you hate about it and religion, while we're at it let's assume God exists just for this thread
    Why? I mean, we might allow this assumption for the sake of an argument, but you are proselytizing rather than making a logical argument.

    That being said, I challenge the requested assumption. Let's not assume a god until it can be legitimately established with verifiable evidence. 


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    The second school of thought doesn't suggest the necessity a god, no?
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    Can you define "god" or "creator" without use of any mythological text? I'm having trouble understanding what you're asking atheists to do. If you erase the entire bible from the history of culture, then the god within it disappears. 
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    First, do you mean that there is just no Bible, or that there is no religious texts of any kind? If you mean no Bible,
    then some other religion would have the place of Christianity. If you mean no religious texts at all, well, I doubt
    that is possible given human nature. If there were no religious texts, someone would come along and write some
    to fill the void. So in that sense you question is academic, since such a state could never exist without a
    fundamental change in human nature.

    But if for some reason there were no religious texts, and no world religions, yet God really did exist, then I would
    approach the question of the nature of God the same way as any other inquiry of nature. I would ask what we
    could infer about the nature of God from observing how the universe works. For one thing, we would
    probably infer that he does not take a very active role in events, given that so much in nature seems random and 
    capricious. We would conclude (if anyone would think to pray) that God either does not hear prayers or does not
    care to answer them, given that they are no more effective than non-prayers. There would be no reason to think
    that God wants our worship. We would likely conclude that God does not care to alleviate suffering, or forestall
    death. As for the latter, we could conclude nothing about life after death due to lack of evidence. There would be
    no reason to expect God to provide everlasting life.

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    If you ditch scriptiure then it's hard to know what is meant by the word 'god'.
    Why? How about something really simple, like Creator? of course we can go into any depths, but let's start easy...
    I suggest there are two schools of thought. One holds hat consciuosness is fundamental an the material universe was brouht into eistence by sconsciousness
    This would be universal in Theism I would think, because it's also true. If anything falls outside this description I'm afraid it doesn't belong within Theism or spirituality, it doesn't even really fall into the category of reality or our experiences. You can argue it, but it's pointless.
    the other schoolholds that matter is fundamental and consciuosness arises from a serendipitous arrangement of matter.
    But again, this is the weak version, you know why? because of the EVIDENCE! only atheists include evidence into their conclusions if it has nothing to do with a Creator lol. So frustrating. Just using pure logic alone, does it makes any sense at all that consciousness arises from inanimate sludge? which of the two above sounds more likely? this time I want you to ignore the conditioning of your mind, shoot for natural intuition and common sense here if you would. Not dismissing all the evidence that correlates with the proposition that consciousness (soul) survives death.
    Why would anyone fall for the inferior proposition?

    Not many questions or inquires here, don't get lazy on me Keith.