Moderation AMA

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--> @Virtuoso, @bsh1
 Who are you considering? *stares intensely*

--> @Speedrace
No comment.
--> @bsh1
If by no comment you mean me, YES and thank you

:P
Do you have a workout regime Ramshutu?
I am a Runner, on Sunday, I run a long distance run between 10-20k (though I have the occasional half marathon race), on Monday’s I do a 10k slow recovery run; Wednesday is hill and speed work; and I try and squeeze in at least 4 x 10k cycle commutes, and an occasionally obligatory weight training - which I hate.



would you say you average 3 hours a day?
--> @Speedrace
he is considering blamonkey, oromagi and ragnar, in case there was any confusion.
--> @RationalMadman
You are not in a position to know who I am or am not considering, and, while I have given the matter some thought, it is not for me a matter of urgency. I will wait until the right candidate comes along.
--> @bsh1
You are in no position to know my position on your patterns of hiring and banning. Well, actually you have some position now, since I just showed you I know how you go about things.

If I am so wrong, why not tell us the fair approach you use to judge people, rather than keep it secret?

*COUGH*
--> @RationalMadman
If I am so wrong, why not tell us the fair approach you use to judge people, rather than keep it secret?
I am certainly willing to tell you my approach. But I am not going to identify specific users as being under consideration. Fundamentally, I am looking for a user who is going to be consistently active, who has no history of COC violations, who is fair-minded, who is reasonably well-liked by the site usership, and who is willing and able to consistently do the work required of them with little prompting. I would prefer someone with experience in modding or site leadership, but I recognize that is difficult to get. I will come to my own decisions on which individuals, based on these criteria, are most suitable. I will then discuss those names with the moderation team, and, factoring in their input, make a decision. I will then clear my choice with Mike.


And the results will be:

  • blamonkey
  • oromagi
  • ragnar

--> @Ramshutu
What is your 5k PR?  I used to run track but now I don’t.

--> @Alec
23:45 if I recall
@RM 

No: I average an hour a day at my most active weeks.

2hrs Sunday, 1hr Monday, 2hrs of cycling,
1 hr strength, 1 hr Wednesday

--> @Ramshutu
I once did a sub 9 min 5k.  It was on a bike.
--> @Alec
I average 11k in 24m commuting through a city in traffic :)

--> @Virtuoso, @bsh1, @Ramshutu
1. What can we do to make your job(s) easier?


2. On voting, what are your thoughts around increased difficulty in point accumulation?
I ask this because I've honestly found myself slightly more easily giving points to the person I've voted against on arguments, and more frequently being a little less judgmental about their S&G mistakes and such. A decent example would be giving someone argument points but penalizing them on conduct for excessive gloating, so as to encourage better behavior in future debates.
Similarly when I debate, I tend to go for sources and conduct, usually not expecting anyone already voting in my favor on arguments to award them, but more of putting anyone voting against me in a bit of a bind.


2. On voting, what are your opinions of skimming arguments we are too familiar with?
My take on it is just that a voter is still responsible for knowing the content of the debate. However, I am personally not going to read another lengthy dissertation on the KCA as an introduction to a debate before getting to the back and forth (rather I will assume it's done satisfactory, and look for the refutations and defenses to weight those). A decent example would be someone opens a debate with the text of the book of Genesis, the voter has already read it a hundred times, why would they not skip ahead to the actual discussion?
--> @Ragnar
1. What can we do to make your job(s) easier?
I often find that users report content which is clearly not against the rules. Based on context, I assume that this content is reported due to the reporter's personal objections to the content or due to the fact that the content is somehow offensive. However, reports of clearly licit content--even when that content is offensive--waste time and are not acted upon. I would urge users to be circumspect in their use of reports and to familiarize themselves with the COC.

2. On voting, what are your thoughts around increased difficulty in point accumulation?
Not entirely sure what you're asking here, but when debaters choose the point system, they are choosing to ask voters for a holistic judgement. It is therefore entirely appropriate for a voter to award more points to the debater who lost arguments if that debater legitimately outperformed in the other point categories.

2. On voting, what are your opinions of skimming arguments we are too familiar with?
Voters should read every argument in a debate. Skimming is inevitable and acceptable, but it is important not to be too lax. Often there is important nuance or deviation which is hidden in an otherwise boilerplate-looking argument. If the voter doesn't read carefully enough, they may miss those details. But, as a time- and effort-saving function, I sympathize with skimming, and I think it's alright, esp. for less dense debates.

1.) Bring Beer

In all seriousness: debaters should make it clear to the voter what their main arguments are. It helps the voter weigh properly, and helps moderators decide whether the arguments have been surveyed and weighed.

2.) I’ve not personally had an issue. I always find that conduct, S&G fall out of the main assessment. Most of the award is due to complexity and difficulty in rendering the vote. I’ve very rarely seen examples of splitting sources and args though

3.) As long as you cover the arguments accurately - I don’t see a problem: skimming is a skill; I normally find myself speed skimming a debate several times to pull out the key points, and for stuff like the KCA and many others, it’s pretty easy to pull out the main arguments or see if things are similar. If your good at skimming then go for it; as long as you don’t mind correcting or modifying the vote if there is something that you missed.

As a helpful step: once I’ve got my first draft RFD and have assessed everything, I normally wait go away for an hour then go back through the debate. When someone wins or loses there are often a point that one side missed, or didn’t cover well; or an obvious flaw with their reasoning: I do a final scan to specifically find arguments related to those, in case I missed them.






Today marks one year since Moderation was appointed on this site by the site owner. As Chief Moderator, I wanted to take a brief moment to thank Virt, Castin, and Ram for their service, and to say what an honor it's been serving this community.
--> @bsh1
I would also like to personally thank Bsh; he is probably the most adult and mature person I have ever met on the internet. Ever.
If by 'adult and mature' you mean emotionally aloof, then I both see the accuracy of the attributes and why you personally would admire that in someone.
--> @Ragnar
One thing I'd think would be helpful is for the voters to to explain why they're reporting the vote and why they feel like it is against the COC
To clarify; by Mature and Adult, I mean his unerring ability to put up with petulance, childishness and stupidity, repeatedly without escalating, name calling, and with the ability to disagree with an opinion despite thinking that oppinion is bad.

... and that’s just when dealing with me.
--> @RationalMadman
 What about me, I fit all of those

Not blamonkey because he's not active enough

Ragnar almost definitely, and I could see oromagi as well although he's been less active recently