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    definition of intelligence

    intelligence
    • The capacity to acquire and apply knowledge.

    According to the definition of intelligence applying knowledge is something only an intelligent being can do. I will list an example of me applying knowledge then list a example of god applying knowledge.


    My example

    I have knowledge that plants die during the winter time. So i apply this knowledge and bring in my plants indoors so they do not die in the cold.


    Gods example.

    God has knowledge that dogs would be hot during the summer. So he applied this knowledge and designed the dogs to shed it's fur during the summer
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    Agree!!!
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    You are presuposing god(s) and then attributing it/them motivations. Also unless you're argument is that your proposed god(s) lacked the ability to make any conceivable universe it liked then surely this god could have made hairless dogs and not winter. This then becomes a circular argument as it can be applied to any configuration of matter or energy regardless of the form it takes or the physical laws that govern it. 

    With no practical way to test your hypothesis the difference between a created world and an uncreated one is completely indistinguishable from our perspective.
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    Or maybe there were dogs that shed and dogs that didn't shed, and the dogs that didn't shed got too hot and died, leaving only dogs that shed.
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    God made Humans better tree climbers than chimps

    God made Chimps smarted than humans in cognitive skills.


    Defying God's intended intelligent design should be seen as humans overreaching. Leave the computer stuff to chimps. 
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    Why would an entire species of dog die out because They have a little more fur then usual. I don't think that a dog would die because it does not have the ability to shed it's fur
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    Some Chimps are better at climbing then humans. Some humans are better at climbing then chimps. Same logic with the cognitive skills
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    Some Chimps are better at climbing then humans. Some humans are better at climbing then chimps. Same logic with the cognitive skills
    Would you want to be bested by a chimp in any of the two tests conducted?
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      no

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    no
    You are accepting your limitations. That's being honest.

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    No i see how something is  And say that thing was made a certain way because he had knowledge of this.




    I see that dogs Shed there fur during the summer. He must have made the choice to design them that way because he had knowledge that dogs would be hot during the summer.


    My plants are brought inside for the winter. I made the choice to bring them inside because i had knowledge that they would die from cold during the winter.
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    Sorry for the late reply i did not see your post


    surely this god could have made hairless dogs and not winter.

    yes he could have just created the dog and not winter. he could have created the winter and not the dog.But would it not be nice to have both. God created the dog to grow more fur during the winter so the dog could survive the winter.God created it in a way so he can have both


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    yes he could have just created the dog and not winter
    This statement tells me that the content of the evidence is unimportant to you and that you would reach the same conclusion regardless of the evidence. This is not a good pathway to truth. In general it is better to examine evidence critically and accept whatever conclusions this leads to rather than beginning with a conclusion and then interpreting the available evidence to fit with it.

    Before we continue perhaps you should tell me which god(s) are under discussion here.


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    There is no reason why he would make the dog and not the snow. It is only logical for him to make both.




    "Before we continue perhaps you should tell me which god(s) are under discussion here."

    I am trying to establish that there is a God. Then establish that the God is Jesus.

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    That dogs and snow exist is evidence for dogs and snow not god(s). You must demonstrate that something exists before I can accept it as a possible cause for anything that has been demonstrated to exist.
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    Plants might die in the winter.
    And Dogs might shed their fur in the summer.
    Therefore Jesus must be God.

    Yep. You've certainly hit the nail on the head with that beauty.

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    you guys are not understanding. I will try another way to explain it. But it will be corny
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    mans creation
    Once upon a time there were humans.These humans built houses.The human that lived near
    the beach were intelligent they knew that there houses would be flooded if they built them on the beach. So they built them far enough away from the beaches were the houses would not get flooded. another group of people lived in fire country these people two were intelligent. These people knew that wood houses would be destroyed by fire. so the intelligent humans made there houses out of metal. these 2 groups of people started to war against each other and nearly eradicated there entire species. The survivors ran in the jungle and lived in the jungle for  thousands of years. Over time they forgot that there ancestors built the houses i listed above. These people believed that the houses were formed naturally and they came up with this crazy theory called housevolution. housevolution explains how the houses were formed naturally. the houses on the beach adapted to there environment so over million of years. the houses were getting all flooded so it housevolved and over millions of years the house moved away from the ocean so it would not get flooded.The housevolution people then move to metal houses  and how they  housevolved. you see over millions of years the houses were getting destroyed by the fires because it was originally wood so over million of years they housevolved and the houses turned/adapted to metal so that they can survive better in there environment which is fire country. so as a result of this a never ending debate between the housevoluton and creationist began housevolutionist believe that the wood houses  evolved to there environment and became  metal houses that are able to protect themselves from the wildfires.


    gods creation
    In the beginning god created animals.God created all the animals .God created the animals in the  snow  with lots of fur because he had knowledge that they would need freeze during the winter. So He designed the snow animals with more fur .  He then then went on and  created all the creatures in the desert with no fur or very little fur.Because he had knowledge that deserts are hot and fur is hot. So he designed desert animls without fur. So the creatures in the desert do not get hot.God had animals that lived in both the heat and the snow. So god created the dog to grow more fur during the winter and shed its fur during the summer.God takes a nap to have falseness being said against him. Humans made this theory called evolution. This theory explains why all the animals in the snow have more fur then those in the desert.It is because the animals adapted to there snowy environments so they can keep warm. He also believes that the reason why the animals in the desert have no fur is because they adapted to there environments and they lost it. So they can keep cool. Same with dog but with both.

    Just like how the humans created the house in fire country out of metal so it would not burn down. God created the dog to grow more fur during the winter so they can keep warm




    the creator must have had knowledge that the dog would be hot during the summer so he applied this knowledge and made it so the creature to shed its fur during the summer.



    Smart humans have knowledge that building a house on a beach is not smart because of flooding so they applied this knowledge and build a house away from the water.


    Humans in fire country have knowledge that wood houses are flammable so they applied this knowledge and made there houses out of metals


     The creator of the mountain goat gave the goat special feet that make it easier to mountain climb..because he knew it would need them because they live in the mountains




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    God Creation

    Once upon a time there was god and god created things. God created many thing He created animals in the desert and in the snow. God knew that if he stuck an animal in the snow with no fur the animal would freeze.So God created all the animals in the snow with lots of Fur. God knew that if Desert animal had lots of fur. The would burn. So god created desert animals with almost no fur.God takes a nap for thousand of years and wake up to have falseness being said against him. Humans made this theory called evolution. This theory explains why all the animals in the snow have more fur then those in the desert.It is because the animals adapted to there snowy environments so they can keep warm. He also believes that the reason why the animals in the desert have no fur is because they adapted to there environments and they lost it. So they can keep cool



    mans creation
    Once upon a time there were humans.These humans built houses.The human that lived near
    the beach were intelligent they knew that there houses would be flooded if they built them on the beach. So they built them far enough away from the beaches were the houses would not get flooded. another group of people lived in fire country these people two were intelligent. These people knew that wood houses would be destroyed by fire. so the intelligent humans made there houses out of metal. these 2 groups of people started to war against each other and nearly eradicated there entire species. The survivors ran in the jungle and lived in the jungle for  thousands of years. Over time they forgot that there ancestors built the houses i listed above. These people believed that the houses were formed naturally and they came up with this crazy theory called housevolution. housevolution explains how the houses were formed naturally. the houses on the beach adapted to there environment so over million of years. the houses were getting all flooded so it housevolved and over millions of years the house moved away from the ocean so it would not get flooded.The housevolution people then move to metal houses  and how they  housevolved. you see over millions of years the houses were getting destroyed by the fires because it was originally wood so over million of years they housevolved and the houses turned/adapted to metal so that they can survive better in there environment which is fire country. so as a result of this a never ending debate between the housevoluton and creationist began housevolutionist believe that the wood houses  evolved to there environment and became  metal houses that are able to protect themselves from the wildfires.


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    gods creation
    In the beginning god created animals.God created all the animals .
    You must demonstrate some god(s) before you can put the god(s) under discussion forward as a potential cause for anything that does demonstrably exist. You seem to be confusing the claim with the evidence. 

    Your claim is that some god(s) [specifically the jesus] exists and somehow caused things to exist (presumably not through the implementation of the event commonly if imprecisely known as the big bang) now you must demonstrate that said god(s) actually exist. Otherwise all god(s) are equally likely and exactly as likely as no god(s) whatsoever. 

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    Fine Jesus did it.God created animal  using his very basic common sense.


    • He created winter animals with lots of fur


    • He created desert animals with little fur.


    • He created night animals with night vision

     

    • He created day time animals with normal eyes.


     Winter animals did not adapt and grow more fur. They have always had more fur then desert animals. Because god created them that way by useing his common sense.Night time animals have always had night vision. They did not adapt to the darknsess. God created the owl with night vision because he had common sence

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    This sort of sounds like a somehow dumber version of post hoc ergo propter hoc,
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    Fine Jesus did it.God created animal  using his very basic common sense.


    • He created winter animals with lots of fur


    • He created desert animals with little fur.


    • He created night animals with night vision

     

    • He created day time animals with normal eyes.


     Winter animals did not adapt and grow more fur. They have always had more fur then desert animals. Because god created them that way by useing his common sense.Night time animals have always had night vision. They did not adapt to the darknsess. God created the owl with night vision because he had common sence
    This is your claim. Can you demonstrate it in any way or are you only to continue baldly asserting your position?

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    Winter animals have lots of fur


    • Winter will be x
    • Lots of fur will be y
       God chose to design The animals with y because of x


      God chose to design animals with lots of fur because of winter

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    Desert animals have little fur

    • desert will be x
    • little fur will be y
     God chose to design the animal with y because of x

    God chose to design desert animals with little fur because of the desert