Trump is so fukt

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  • PaulVerliane
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    its all over for trump and his mob
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    I don't get it. What exactly makes the President "fukt"?
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    Young Americans?

    Mate, the population is aging and Gen Z is the most conservative gen since WW2
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    Mate, the population is aging
    This is exactly why conservatives need to be worried. Old people are their bread and butter. As the older generation die off, the younger, far more liberal generations become the majority. If they don't find a way to appeal to young people republicans are in trouble. 

    and Gen Z is the most conservative gen since WW2
    umm, which part of young people are far more socialist was unclear? Why would you think Gen Z is conservative? I have never seen any information that supports that. 
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    Young people are the very ones fukt by illegal socialist invaders destroying their opportunities both systemically and logistically.

    Homelessness has never been so bad in liberal dystopic urban areas.

    Old people will do just fine.

    Liberals in California attempted to censor talk about Califonia being the dirtiest state with the most inequality and least opportunities and the most taxes gifted to a bloated corrupt inefficient government run solely by the Democrats.

    Then Trump happened, and it's like news to the world that California is a SHITHOLE.
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    There is just so much wrong with that. 

    Young people are the very ones fukt by illegal socialist invaders destroying their opportunities both systemically and logistically.
    Opportunities for young people have been dwindling for years. The economic system built by previous generations has completely screwed over millennials. They need to take on absurd debts to get the job training they need. If they ever want a house they need to save up for 10 years for the down payment. The truth is that young people do not have the same opportunities that previous generations had. As they realize that the system is broken, they naturally want to change it. Older people who benefited from the broken system naturally want to resist the changes. But as the demographics shift and younger generations become the majority, change becomes inevitable. 


    Homelessness has never been so bad in liberal dystopic urban areas.
    Homelessness is a reflection of the economic problems created by right wing economics. Many of them move to California because they wont freeze in the winter and also because the people running city councils aren't assholes who actively try to make their lives worse like they do in republican controlled cities. Essentially, republicans help create a problem and then other people have to try to fix it.

    Old people will do just fine.
    Of course. They have already reaped the rewards of destroying the economy. It is the younger generations that are now screwed. 
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    Socialists control the Industrial-education complex.

    Many of them move to California because..
    People who have the means are leaving California.
    The homeless that are there now are stranded.
    Homeless have no means to hop state to state.
    They are at the mercy of the Socialists in power for decades destroying housing and job opportunities and promoting dirty air.


    California was a shithole long before 2016. Socialists paid the media off to bury the truth.

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    Help control the homeless population have your "pet" spay or neutered.  I believe they are treated and seen as pets but in a sick way.  Something to watch over, take care of which makes them feel good.
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    Socialists control the Industrial-education complex.
    Think that sentence through. Socialists (people who believe in public ownership) control the private industrial-education complex. It makes no sense. 

    People who have the means are leaving California.
    Please provide supporting evidence.

    The homeless that are there now are stranded.
    This doesn't even make sense. 

    Homeless have no means to hop state to state.
    Have you never heard of things like walking, hitch hiking or buses? This is a pretty silly point

    They are at the mercy of the Socialists in power for decades destroying housing and job opportunities and promoting dirty air.
    As there are no socialists in power, this also makes no sense. The people in power for the last 30 years have pretty much exclusively been right wing or centrists. But you want to blame economic problems on leftists? That is sad. 

    California was a shithole long before 2016. Socialists paid the media off to bury the truth.
    Lmao, your own link says in like the 1st 10 seconds that it is is the commercial ports and petroleum production. IE it is caused by private corporations. But that is somehow caused by socialism.... It's like you aren't even trying to make sense.    
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    Socialists and Democrats control the Industrial-education complex.

    Think that sentence through. Socialists (people who believe in public ownership) control the private industrial-education complex. It makes no sense. 

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    The people in power for the last 30 years have pretty much exclusively been right wing or centrists.

    California, Chicago, Detroit, New York are solidly in control of Democrats and have been for decades.

    Long before 2016
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    This doesn't even make sense. 


    According to Bales and other experts, California made homelessness worse by making perfect housing the enemy of good housing, by liberalizing drug laws, and by opposing mandatory treatment for mental illness and drug addiction.

    Other states have done a better job despite spending less money. “This isn’t rocket science,” said John Snook, who runs the Treatment Advocacy Center, which advises states on mental health and homelessness policy around the country. “Arizona is a red state that doesn’t spend a ton on its services but is the best scenario in every aspect. World-class coordination with law enforcement. Strong oversight. They don’t let people fall apart and then return to jail in 30 days like California does.”

    What happened in California isn’t the first time that we progressives let our idealism get the better of us. To understand how the current disaster unfolded, we have to go back in time, back to the post-World War II era when progressive reformers convinced themselves and others that they could destroy the country’s system for dealing with the mentally ill and replace it with a radically different and wholly unproven alternative.

    For decades, many progressives have claimed that homelessness is really just a kind of poverty, a manifestation of social inequality. In 1986, celebrity comedians Whoppi Goldberg, Robin Williams, and Billy Crystal held “Comic Relief,” a telethon for homelessness. Throughout it, they emphasized that the homeless were just like you and me, just poorer. Today, many of California’s leading homelessness advocates insist that the current crisis is due mostly to the housing shortage.  
    Homelessness experts and advocates disagree. “I’ve rarely seen a normal able-bodied able-minded non-drug-using homeless person who’s just down on their luck,” L.A. street doctor Susan Partovi told me. “Of the thousands of people I’ve worked with over 16 years, it’s like one or two people a year.  And they’re the easiest to deal with.” Rev. Bales agrees. “One hundred percent of the people on the streets are mentally impacted, on drugs, or both,” he said.
    Most of the time what people mean by the homelessness problem is really a drug problem and a mental illness problem. ”The problem is we don’t know if you’re psychotic or just on meth,” said Dr. Partovi. “And giving it up is very difficult. I worked in the local jail, and half of the inmates in the women’s jail were Latinas in their 20s, and all were in there for something related to meth.”
    The people who work directly with the homeless say things worsened after California abandoned the “carrot and stick” approach toward treating the severely mentally ill and drug addicts who are repeat offenders. “The ACLU will come after me if I say the mentally ill need to be taken off the street,” said Dr. Partovi, “so let me be clear that they need to be taken care of, too.” 
    Bales says things worsened ten years ago when L.A. and other California cities rejected drug recovery (treatment) as a condition of housing. “When the ‘Housing First’ with a harm reduction model people came in they said ‘Recovery doesn’t work,’” said Bales. “But it was after that when homelessness exploded exponentially.” 
    Bales says people have little incentive to do treatment when there is no threat of jail time. “[The Housing First harm reduction advocates] talked about new services, but they were all voluntary.” Things went further in this direction with the passage of Proposition 47 in 2016, which decriminalized hard drugs and released nonviolent offenders from prison without providing after-care support. “Our guests went from 12 - 17% addicted to 50% or higher,” Bales says. “Policymakers need to understand that if you allow the use, you also allow the sales, and if you allow the sales, then you allow the big guys to break your legs when you owe them money,” says Bales.
    Snook says that California is so unwilling to require non-voluntary mental health care that it is only now considering more extensive “conservatorship” — where a health official is given the authority to make decisions for a mentally incapacitated individual —  and only after nine acts of violence against themselves or others. 
    “Imagine having a sick child and hoping he attacks someone once a month so somebody can do something!” said Snook. “That is so out of sync with the rest of the country, and with what mental health care looks like, that it is laughable.”
    Lack of shelter and leadership are factors alongside extreme progressive idealism. “It’s the impact of not having a stick and not having shelter,” says Bales. Snook agrees. “There’s a provision that says Medicaid will now pay for beds in psychiatric hospitals,” said Snook. “It’s a no-brainer, but California is hemming and hawing. They don’t want to involuntarily incarcerate, but it’s self-defeating because you end up with mentally ill in jail because a bed isn’t available.”

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    In short, Looney Liberal Califonia proved that drug use isn't a victimless crime. Society suffers from crime and the spread of medieval diseases. Simply building safe spaces for them is only making the problem worse.
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    In short, Looney Liberal Califonia proved that drug use isn't a victimless crime. Society suffers from crime and the spread of medieval diseases. Simply building safe spaces for them is only making the problem worse.
    Drug use shouldn't be a crime at all. If you criminalize it you only make the problems worse. It needs to be treated as the medical issue that it is. So the issue isn't that laws are "too liberal" it is that they are too right wing. 


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    California has a huge public defecation problem. Decriminalization has consequences.
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    California has a huge public defecation problem. Decriminalization has consequences.
    But criminalization has little to no upside. You are just locking people in prison and paying a fortune. The second they get out they go right back to their drug use until they get locked up again. It helps no one, hurts lots of people and costs a ridiculous amount of money. 

    It needs to be treated as a health issue, not a criminal issue. 


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    But criminalization has little to no upside.
    yes and no, punishing the dealers is different than punishing the addicts.

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    yes and no, punishing the dealers is different than punishing the addicts.
    Yes to be clear I think things like weed should be totally legalized so that they can be sold and controlled the same way you would alcohol. 

    Things like heroine or meth should be decriminalized for addicts and users, but would still be criminalized for dealers. That way you can get help for addicts without further ruining their lives (which just leads them back to drugs) while still attempting to keep the supply under control. 
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    Old people have always been republicans

    Boomers started out liberal as the anti-Vietnam gen but now are consverative


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    It's impossible to get people to voluntarily rehabilitate when there are no consequences for taking a shit in the middle of the street in California.

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    Old people have always been republicans
    Boomers started out liberal as the anti-Vietnam gen but now are consverative
    You really need to support your wild assertions with some facts. People don't magically become republicans as they get older. 
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    It's impossible to get people to voluntarily rehabilitate when there are no consequences for taking a shit in the middle of the street in California
    It's easy to say that when drug use is still very much criminalized and it is very difficult to actually help these people. 


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    thats exaclty what happens, they get smarter
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    It's easy to say that when drug use is still very much criminalized and it is very difficult to actually help these people. 

    That's an easy way to explain the social Petri dish California "government" created.

    The only thing difficult about the situation is getting politicians to drop the impotent virtue-signaling and start taking care of the public by making the hard, responsible choices other cities have done.