Intelligent design

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    Recently i have been seeing people who believe that it is silly for an all powerful being created everything and believe it is like believing in Santa. Believe that an all powerful being created all life.


    There has been a surge of god hating liberals believe that we were created by aliens.This is the same as believing in god

    Elon musk believe that we live in a more advance sims.He believe we live in the Matrix.This is the same as believing in god.


    People know deep down the reason why the human brain is ten trillion times more advance then the modern computer is because it is created by someone who is ten trillion times more intelligent then the one who created the computer.



    People usually spout all these facts about science. Like how atoms DNA and laws of physics work.They do this thinking they are disproving god.But because these things are so much more advance then anything we have ever made.It is the most obvious proof that god exist.


    It is pure denial.

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    What is the evidence for intelligent design? I don't personally subscribe the the notion that we were created by aliens or that we live in a simulation, but even still, these would not necessarily demand a deity - only a pre-existing and/or a more advanced civilization of natural beings.

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    What is the evidence for intelligent design?
    It's called an interpretation, it's the perception of the individual that interprets "intelligent" processes/design. Evidence is only an indicator of what is most likely the case, what does the available body of facts and or information indicate? some interpret what we observe (processes) in the universe as creation or an intelligent Source. 
    When you ask what is the evidence for intelligent design basically you're asking a persons interpretation.....basically processes don't occur without a mind or intelligence....energy acts like or produces intelligence or what we observe as processes, and processes as we directly observe them in our day to day are associated with sentience. Therefore to a Theist or Deist it's obvious there is a Creator, to an atheist they deem everything as purely natural, that something of no intelligence can produce something of intelligence. Both are an interpretation, one proposition probably superior to the other depending on whom you ask. 

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     I don't personally subscribe the the notion that we were created by aliens or that we live in a simulation, but even still, these would not necessarily demand a deity - only a pre-existing and/or a more advanced civilization of natural beings.
    The more dynamics involved the more likely there is a Creator than not, even in the case of aliens and a simulation. That should be obvious. 


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    Evidence would be something that strongly points to a single conclusion. Nothing you have mentioned rises to this level.

    In other words, the appearance (or perception) of design is not design.
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    The more dynamics involved the more likely there is a Creator than not, even in the case of aliens and a simulation. 

    This means nothing to me. 
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    I have found a YouTube channel that describes a certain area  of evidence for creation better then i can.They do not tell exactly what i have been trying to say in that area but they are very close.But if they could explain what it think there would be no atheist


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    Evidence would be something that strongly points to a single conclusion. Nothing you have mentioned rises to this level.

    In other words, the appearance (or perception) of design is not design.

    no origin of life research is a joke


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    Dinosaurs.
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    Post #3.........the coward has me blocked.
    Chlorophyll.
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    You're posting links rather than supporting your position. If you have reasonably reached your position, then you should understand the evidence well enough to explain it yourself. 
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    What is the purpose of intelligent design? What do we use it for? What does it prove?

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    Evidence would be something that strongly points to a single conclusion.

    That I explained already and very familiar with how evidence is defined and what it is for, if you need me to elaborate please ask, don't pretend I gave no answer why there's a good indication of "design", or better put creation. 

    Nothing you have mentioned rises to this level.

    Lol, read that again. If there is an indication of a proposition we have met the requirements of evidence. That's how this works but sure...you can shrug it off I didn't expect anything else from you. 

    In other words, the appearance (or perception) of design is not design.

    But, it's an interpretation. The indication that there is a Creator is strong, so yes the appearance of design could certainly mean exactly what it is. Unless you'd like to offer a counter argument for your own interpretation. 
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    This means nothing to me. 

    Maybe read it again? it actually has some significance if you just allow yourself to think twice. 
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    What is the purpose of intelligent design?

    The only purpose is creation, coming from the standpoint of a Creator. To go from nothing to something. Or better put...go from a purely conscious reality to forms within creation. 

    What do we use it for?

    To live, experience life. 

    What does it prove?

    That there is a Source behind what we observe?
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    Evidence-
    "the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
    an outward sign : indication
    something that furnishes proof : testimony
    something that makes plain or clear; an indication or sign:
     A thing or set of things helpful in forming a conclusion or judgment: "

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    So its purpose is to prove there is a god?
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    Your question is nonsensical, the nicest way I can put it. Intelligent design is a proposition, a way to understand how our universe is put together as opposed to a counter view. It doesn't prove anything since it is a claim or theory. 
    It's an interpretation. 
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    You said, "The only purpose is creation, coming from the standpoint of a Creator." So my question is, is the creator god?
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    So my question is, is the creator god?

    Who else would the Creator be? but again, the proposition of intelligent design is not a purpose, it's a theory or an interpretation. However the actual process of intelligent design is for you to have an experience. 
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    It is telling that instead of providing evidence, the strategy has been all about explaining what evidence is. I'm interested in more than definitions.

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    I believe in intelligent design because of what the body does.

    When your dyeing of thirst your body turns urine into blood to keep you alive.

    A substitute teacher i had always say this.I don't see why it would be wrong.I can not find this weird info in the internet.She did science stuff for a living and was an atheist i think.So you should fine her reliable.


    Our body works like a factory


    One gram of DNA can hold up to 200 terabyte worth of information. To store the same information in mans technology.It would take 233 3tb drive weighing 151 kilo's



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    If you can not understand why i believe this when i go into detail.I can not help with that beside try to explain it in easy way's


    Example
    • you know how your phone goes into sleep mode after a while if you do not touch it
    Reason
    • The reason why this happens is so your phone can save energy.
    Who did it
    • IT was The one who made the phone that designed it to go into sleep mode so it can save energy

    Example
    • your body removes poisons when you are fasting
    Reason
    • The reason why this happens is because when your fasting your belly is empty and your body knows it would be a good time to remove toxins.Because the body is empty
    Who did it
    • it was the one who created it.that designed the body to remove toxins because he knew it would be a good time because body is empty




    Fasting Awakens the Mind and Soul. You can reverse your biological age by removing toxins from your life. During a fast, the body will be flushing out toxins through your urine and bowel movements, such as: built up chemicals, mucous, pesticides and pharmaceuticals to name a few.

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    Yes but it's not a scientific theory, it's only theory in the sense of conjecture.

    What does intelligent design tell us about the creator?