How Many Have Ascended To Heaven ?

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    Apart from Jesus who else  ascended to heaven?

    According to John 3:13 No one but Jesus went up to heaven.  "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven".

    John obviously hadn't read his Old Testament  where it can be read clear as day that  “And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven” (2 Kings 2:11)
     
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    Thang has the answer:
    GOD TELLS LIES.
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    Interesting then that there was no mention of John the Baptist going acceding to heaven (or from heaven, come to that) after he was supposedly beheaded. Christians do, after all, believe that the baptist was Elijah reincarnated, don't they?



    Matthew 17:12-13 English Standard Version (ESV)
    12 But I tell you that Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but did to him whatever they pleased. So also the Son of Man will certainly suffer at their hands.” 13 Then the disciples understood that he was speaking to them of John the Baptist.

    But of course this only highlights even more contradictions when we read what the scriptures themselves have to say about the situation .


    1. Yes, he was Elijah Mathew 11: 13-14  - "For all the prophets and the Law prophesied until  (John 14) "And if you care to accept it, he himself is Elijah, who was to come."
    2. No, he was not Elijah John 1:19-21  - "And this is the witness of John, when the Jews sent to him priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, "Who are you?" 20 And he confessed, and did not deny, and he confessed, "I am not the Christ." 21 And they asked him, "What then? Are you Elijah?" And he said, "I am not." "Are you the Prophet?" And he answered, "No."

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    Apart from Jesus who else  ascended to heaven?
    What heaven? The one the stars sit in, or the home of God?

    “And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven”
    Did Elijah go up into the sky, or did he go into God's home?

    Is someone assuming again?

    Christians do, after all, believe that the baptist was Elijah reincarnated, don't they?
    No, they don't. Reincarnation is not biblical. Your ignorance has misled you again.

    But of course this only highlights even more contradictions when we read what the scriptures themselves have to say about the situation .
    Elijah has a meaning. Different people can have the same name. God often names people after their mission, so people with similar missions can have the same name.

    Jesus was called Immanuel, for example.
    John the baptist was prophesied to come to prepare the way for Jesus, in that role, he was like Elijah, and thus likened to Elijah.

    But for you, to keep your lame contradiction claim afloat, words can have only one meaning, different people cannot have the same name, everything must be read hyper literally.

    Stephen Curry is the New Michael Jordan.

    Our genius sees a contradiction.
    Lol.
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    Did Elijah go up into the sky, or did he go into God's home?
    According to your god he went to your gods home LOOK:

    “And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven”
    Your desperate need to call your god a liar is indicative of your hypocrisy.


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    Heaven has several meanings bully.

    How do you know it means God's home here?

    Oh, that's right, for atheists, words in the bible can only have one meaning.

    Carry on. Your contradiction doesn't work unless you pretend to be silly.



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    I would never pretend to be you, that would just be silly.

    Where did Elijah go and how do you know? lol
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    Heaven has several meanings bully.

    OH yes silly me,  course it does.   That is your typical reset and default to every anomaly and contradiction the bible throws up. You simply have to invent things in the hope that others will accept your abysmal reasoning and silly excuses for what are clear contradictions that simply cannot be explained by you inventing reasons and childish excuses.

    It is a FACT that one says one thing and another categorically states the complete opposite. And  try as you may , they will remain unexplained biblical contradicts.


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    We still attempt to answer the same question.....What's up there?
    Albeit with a more scientific approach these days.

    Ascent, descent or stay put.
    Which one would have undoubtedly been the more attractive basis for a fanciful story?

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    OH yes silly me,  course it does.   That is your typical reset and default to every anomaly and contradiction the bible throws up.
    What anomaly? If I say the "heaven full of  stars", is that an anomaly? Does the bible use the word "heaven" in only one way?

    Just answer the simple question instead of yet another lame rant. Does the verse say Elijah went up into Heaven, God's home, or went up into heaven, where heavenly bodies are?

    If you don't know say so.

    You simply have to invent things in the hope that others will accept your abysmal reasoning and silly excuses for what are clear contradictions that simply cannot be explained by you inventing reasons and childish excuses.
    What have I invented? I only asked you a question. You want the word "heaven" used in the verse to mean God's Home. I'm asking you why?

    Can you justify your interpretation?

    You can't even admit that the word heaven has more than one meaning. If it has multiple meanings, what makes your interpretation correct?

    You can't answer, but you'll rant yet again about how terrible I am for simply challenging your spin. You will convince more people if you addressed the rebuttals to your claims.

    It is a FACT that one says one thing and another categorically states the complete opposite. And  try as you may , they will remain unexplained biblical contradicts.
    You don't win logical points by insistence goomer. I can tell you why the word "heaven" in this verse does not mean "the home of God". Would you like me to?

    Or you can rant again that you're right because .......uh....you're right.

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    I notice you dodged the question bully. Here it is again.

    How do you know it means God's home here?

    I tried to place a bet that you'd dodge, no one would take it. Lol
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    God says so.
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    God says so.
    Lol. Yet another internet prophet with a special line to God.

    The next time you talk to god, say hi for me.

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    After all these years you still haven't learned how to read. such an object of pity.

    This is what your god says
    “And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven”
    It's even written in the word of god.
    You are a funny little ineffectual chap though.
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    This is what your god says

    Gen 1:20 - And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
    It's even written in the word of god.

    But the atheist wants us to only look at words, not what they mean.

    So, according to those brainiacs, birds fly in the home of god, because scripture says "heaven".

    Lol. If you have to be a fool to claim a contradiction, I can live with that.

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    Does the verse say Elijah went up into Heaven
    Yes it does. What do you claim it says, LOOK
    “And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven”
    Your god says your lies don't work.


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    So, according to those brainiacs, birds fly in the home of god, because scripture says "heaven".
    Your god says they do, why do you call your god a liar.

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    @Disgusting

    I only call you a liar. I would call you stupid too, but it seems you can't read.

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    Provide just one of my lies. You nonentity.
    You call your god a liar, that must frighten you.
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    @disgusting

    Don't you get tired of everyone ignoring you? Or calling you a trollish moron?

    Go win "again" loser.
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    So you can't. Who woulda thought.
    I do win again but against you it's inconsequential.
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    Yet you keep announcing you've "won", and keep stalking me? Are you sure its inconsequential? You don't act like it is to you.

    And you dodged my question again brave loser. Did my question frighten you?
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    Provide just one of my lies.
    So you still can't! Does being pathetic satisfy you somehow.
    Why do you avoid acknowledging that you are responding to me?
    It's obviously because you are just deathly afraid.
    Keep it up, it amuses all of us.


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    Yap! Yap! Yap!
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    I win again.lol