Why Impeachmnet?

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  • Dr.Franklin
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    When you know it will fail in the Senate?
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    Why try anything if corrupt means can stop it?

    #sarcasm
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    Because he committed crimes in office. The republicans might be too afraid of him to actually convict, that is true. But if you don't impeach him for his crimes, he will continue to commit more crimes.

    Just like any other child, if he gets away with things he will continue that behavior. If we teach him it is ok to abuse the power of his office and obstruct justice, he will do it again.    
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    --> @Dr.Franklin
    Al Green said it best, honestly (paraphrasing) "They must impeach him because they can't beat him in the next election"  Humpty dumpty is quoted as saying something similar, to distance or disillusion the voter base and Republican party for the next election.  Whether they actually said these things doesn't matter to me because I believe those are the reasons though they would never outright admit it.
    After Clinton's impeachment his popularity dropped so they think the same will happen in this case as well.
    Mark Levin gave a whole list of past presidents, all the way back to Lincoln who would have been impeached under the criteria the democrats have set.
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    --> @TheDredPriateRoberts
     "They must impeach him because they can't beat him in the next election" 
    Lol recent polling shows every democratic candidate beating him. Even klobochar and she is terrible. 

    I believe those are the reasons though they would never outright admit it.
    You can choose to reject reality and believe the lies you hear on fox news. No one can force you actually look at reality. 

    Mark Levin gave a whole list of past presidents, all the way back to Lincoln who would have been impeached under the criteria the democrats have set.
    lol you want to take seriously the man calling for the next democratic president to be impeached, before we even know who that is? That is just epic levels of partisan stupidity. 
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    --> @HistoryBuff
    recent polling shows every democratic candidate beating him. Even klobochar and she is terrible.
    Remember the Hillery polls?

    Why do liberals have such short memories?
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    polls....ok you hang on to those because they really have been so accurate right?

    you just don't get it do you, yeah the next democratic president will and should go through everything they are doing now, just like the nuclear option came back to bite them in the ass, so will this, they didn't learn from Harry Reed's stupidity nor will they learn from this.

    If they themselves believed they would win then why couldn't they wait for the next election to right these "wrongs"?  Sounds like they have major doubts.  If they were confident in a win there wouldn't be this made up b.s. urgency hey speak of.  They know their position is so weak their only hope is to sabotage and create as much division as they can.  Which will probably backfire anyway.

    Since you have such faith in the polls, do you have the same faith and shows increase support for Trump among the American black population?
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    --> @TheDredPriateRoberts
    z=they have no accomplishments
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    "polls have no value because theyre not right 100% of the time"

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    --> @ethang5
    Remember the Hillery polls?

    Why do liberals have such short memories?

    The polls showed her winning the popular vote. She won the popular vote. The polls were correct. 
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    --> @HistoryBuff
    The polls are also the reason no crimes are listed in articles of impeachment.
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    --> @TheDredPriateRoberts
    you just don't get it do you, yeah the next democratic president will and should go through everything they are doing now, just like the nuclear option came back to bite them in the ass, so will this, they didn't learn from Harry Reed's stupidity nor will they learn from this.
    What are you talking about. Republicans DID impeach clinton over nonsense. They repeatedly called to impeach Obama for nonsense. I am quite certain they will call to impeach the next dem president. But that wont be because of anything that happened to trump. It will be because that is what they do ALL THE TIME. 

    If they themselves believed they would win then why couldn't they wait for the next election to right these "wrongs"? 
    Because losing an election is not the response that is supposed to come from committing crimes. When most people commit a crime, they go to jail. When a president commits a crime, they get impeached. Waiting for the election would be allowing trump to get away with his crimes. No one should want that. 

    They know their position is so weak their only hope is to sabotage and create as much division as they can.
    The entire field of dem candidates are more popular than trump. 

    Since you have such faith in the polls, do you have the same faith and shows increase support for Trump among the American black population?
    Please provide a source. I would be happy to have a look and tell you what I think. 
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    --> @Greyparrot
    The polls are also the reason no crimes are listed in articles of impeachment.
    Correction, 2 crimes are listed in the articles of impeachment. 


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    --> @HistoryBuff
    the clinton impeachment wasn't all one party like this time

    certainly you can understand people's skepticism about these so called crimes as the highly touted and shouted collusion and quid pro quo isn't mentioned, I mean there was proof right?  how many said they have proof, proof positive.  What they started out saying and claiming is a far cry from where they have ended up, so I guess they were just lying?

    Trump Approval Among Blacks Tops 34 Percent in Emerson Poll

    again you find polls valid, I do not.

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    The quid pro quo is included in the abuse of power article of impeachment right?
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    Nope. Those words do not appear at all.

    They are impeaching him for <seeking to> opening an investigation into Joe Biden.
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    --> @Greyparrot
    I was more referring to quid pro quo as the concept rather than strict wording. I don't really care if the words "quid pro quo" appear, only if the concept of a corrupt exchange of goods or services is detailed. Is this something you agree with or is the phrase "quid pro quo" necessary for you?

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    I really don't give a fuck what words are in it.
    They called the president of Ukraine a liar and compared him to a battered housewife.
    They equated the possible denial of welfare to a foreign nation to a catastrophic breach of National Security.
    Democrats are some sick fuckers.
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    So we are in agreement that the concept of quid pro quo does appear in the articles of impeachment but you don't really care that they do?

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    Can't he just like run again?
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    I really don't give a fuck what words are in it.
    lol you complain that specific words aren't there. then say you don't care what words are there. I really wish republicans had some kind of spine or moral compass and wouldn't change what they considered important from minute to minute. 

    They called the president of Ukraine a liar and compared him to a battered housewife.
    He is reliant on US assistance and support. He has a vested interest in pleasing trump. He is in now way a reliable witness. 

    They equated the possible denial of welfare to a foreign nation to a catastrophic breach of National Security.
    because there was no reason to withhold it. He held up critical aid to an ally for personal gain. 

    Democrats are some sick fuckers.
    lol considering the moral gymnastics republicans are doing to try to explain why abuse of office and obstruction of justice are somehow OK because trump is doing it, that is some serious stupidity. 
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     obstruction of justice
    It's really funny to hear Nadler stumbling over the 2nd article of impeachment almost saying this.

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    Don't worry about the gas chambers wait till he does something seriously wrong, after all, they're not real people he's gassing.

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    Remember the Hillery polls?
    Why do liberals have such short memories?

    The polls showed her winning the popular vote.
    The polls showed her winning the election.

    She won the popular vote. The polls were correct.
    Then why were snowflakes wailing in the streets? Why were you sufferers of TDS stunned like deer in headlights?

    ...recent polling shows every democratic candidate beating him.
    Then why not just beat him in a couple of months in the election, and then prosecute him when he doesn't have the immunity of the office?

    Hmm?
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    --> @ethang5
    She won the popular vote. The polls were correct.
    Then why were snowflakes wailing in the streets? Why were you sufferers of TDS stunned like deer in headlights?
    Unfortunately America still clings to an undemocratic method of selecting the president. So even if you lose by millions of votes, you still get to rule against the will of the majority. 

    ...recent polling shows every democratic candidate beating him.
    Then why not just beat him in a couple of months in the election, and then prosecute him when he doesn't have the immunity of the office?
    He is committing crimes using the powers of the presidency. If you don't impeach him then you are essentially just giving him permission to keep doing it. If there are no consequences to abusing the office of the presidency, then he may as well be a king.