Judiciary Committee approves both articles of impeachment

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    The house judiciary committee has approved two articles of impeachment against Trump, abuse of power and contempt of congress. The vote was 23-17 on party lines. 

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    I am going to go out on a limb here and say here that there is a chance that the Supreme Court may weigh in on this matter, because one party should not be able to impeach a President.
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    The SCOTUS generally does not interfere with impeachment as the constitution says that the house shall have the sole power of impeachment. It'll set a very dangerous precedent for the SCOTUS to require bipartisan impeachment. Remember, Bill Clinton's impeachment was pretty much on party lines. Trump's crimes are far worse than Clinton's. 
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    --> @ethang5
    I am going to go out on a limb here and say here that there is a chance that the Supreme Court may weigh in on this matter, because one party should not be able to impeach a President.
    You don't understand how the system works clearly. Impeachment is solely the power of congress. The supreme court has no right or authority to get involved.

    Your post also conveniently ignores that the republican party impeached clinton for lying about sex. We have been down the road of partisan impeachment.

    Luckily, this is not a partisan impeachment. We are 100% certain that trump has committed crimes and abused his office. The fact that the republicans are too frightened of trump to admit it just shows how weak they are. 
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    was there ever any doubt?  this was the plan the day after he was elected, many have said as much publically.  When the roles are reversed they shouldn't be angry when the worm turns right?
    Past presidents have done far worse things against political rivals out in the open yet no impeachments, this time is seems new standards are in place.  What's good for the goose.....be careful what you ask for, you may just get it.
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    Your post also conveniently ignores that the republican party impeached clinton for lying about sex. We have been down the road of partisan impeachment.

    Committing perjury, yes.

    Luckily, this is not a partisan impeachment. We are 100% certain that trump has committed crimes and abused his office. The fact that the republicans are too frightened of trump to admit it just shows how weak they are. 

    Were the Democrats too afraid of Clinton to impeach him for his crime?
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    If the UK can vote elite socialists out, I am sure America can too after this fails in the Senate. 

    I really, really hope most of the 30 congressional Dems in Magaland vote yes to ensure their replacement.
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    Luckily, this is not a partisan impeachment. We are 100% certain that Trump has committed crimes and abused his office. The fact that the republicans are too frightened of trump to admit it just shows how weak they are. 

    It absolutely is not a partisan impeachment. It's looking like about 10 of the 30 Dems elected in Trump country will cross over and vote no.

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    --> @David
    The SCOTUS generally does not interfere with impeachment as the constitution says that the house shall have the sole power of impeachment.

    Yes, but the house must conduct an impeachment according to the guidelines constitution. And SCOTUS has the sole power to interpret the constitution and decide when those guidelines have been breached.

    It'll set a very dangerous precedent for the SCOTUS to require bipartisan impeachment.
    I don't think so. I'm betting that the writers of the constitution never intended a party to be able to remove a president.

    Remember, Bill Clinton's impeachment was pretty much on party lines.
    But some members of both parties voted to impeach. In this case, not a single member of the Republican party voted for impeachment.

    Trump's crimes are far worse than Clinton's. 
    If you democrats had not been yammering about Trumps impeachment since Jan 2016, I would have some faith in your impartiality.

    Democrats have imagined a crime. The Senate will rectify this Democratic coup attempt, and the American people will see the wisdom our forefathers had in setting up impeachment the way they did.

    Our system, when working properly, makes a coup by one party almost impossible.
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     Remember, Bill Clinton's impeachment was pretty much on party lines. Trump's crimes are far worse than Clinton's. 
    The charge of Obstructing Congress is a totally bogus one, as it is the constitutional duty of the office of the president to serve as a check to the Congress. This charge is blatant wordplay focus-group tested among their partisan base to confuse the word "Congress" with "Justice," The Congress is not a body of Justice. Anyone with a basic understanding of civics and what the Congress actually does isn't going to be fooled by this obvious wordplay.  Additionally, technically Trump "obstructed" about 1/4 of Congress since the issue has yet to reach the Senate floor. It's the weakest, most divisive, and most dangerous to democracy impeachment charge ever cooked up to remove an elected president.

    The charge of Abuse of Power is absolutely subjective, and can be applied to any person the Congress deems superficially "Sketchy"

    Neither of which are crimes as you stated.


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    GOP in 1998: I can't believe we tried to remove a President over procedural crimes.

    Dems in 2019: Hold my Beer.
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    The supreme court has no right or authority to get involved.
    The Supreme court has the authority to get involved in any constitutional matter.

    Your post also conveniently ignores that the republican party impeached clinton for lying about sex. We have been down the road of partisan impeachment. 
    Not every republican voted for impeachment of Clinton, and some  democrats voted for impeachment. Do you know of any republican who voted for impeachment? The vote was 100% a party vote.

    Luckily, this is not a partisan impeachment.
    How is it not? Did any republicans vote for it? Any at all?

    We are 100% certain that trump has committed crimes and abused his office. 
    We who? The democratic party of course, not the american people. 54% are now against impeachment.

    And the democratic party was 100% certain that trump had committed crimes and abused his office on the day he was inaugurated. Your objectivity is in tatters.

    The fact that the republicans are too frightened of trump to admit it just shows how weak they are. 
    And the fact that you can pretend to know the inner state of all republicans just shows how biased you are.

    bmdrocks21 asked, "Were the Democrats too afraid of Clinton to impeach him for his crime?"

    My guess is that your crippling bias will find a rationalization for that question.

    Or you will dodge it.

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    --> @ethang5
    The Supreme court has the authority to get involved in any constitutional matter.
    And the constitution is EXTREMELY clear. There is no grounds for the supreme court to get involved. 

    Not every republican voted for impeachment of Clinton, and some  democrats voted for impeachment. Do you know of any republican who voted for impeachment? The vote was 100% a party vote.
    I may have missed it, but as far as I know the house hasn't voted on impeachment yet. 


    How is it not? Did any republicans vote for it? Any at all?
    The house hasn't voted on it yet. And even if none of the republicans have the spine to say out loud that they know he is guilty, that doesn't mean they don't wish they could vote for it. They are just cowards who are trying to protect their own career by not doing their jobs.

    We are 100% certain that trump has committed crimes and abused his office. 
    We who? The democratic party of course, not the american people. 54% are now against impeachment.

    47% for impeachment, 45% against. Also, whether or not people want trump impeached is irrelevant. The facts are that he committed crimes. Whether or not his cultists want him punished for those crimes is irrelevant. 

    And the fact that you can pretend to know the inner state of all republicans just shows how biased you are.

    And the fact that you can pretend to know the inner state of all republicans just shows how biased you are.
    Lol the same men who are defending trump now called him all sorts of terrible names in 2016. They hate him. They know he is a lying, asshole criminal. But none of them will say it in public now. They are afraid of him and his cultists. 

    bmdrocks21 asked, "Were the Democrats too afraid of Clinton to impeach him for his crime?"
    Clinton lied about sex. Trump abused the power of his office in an attempt to extort a foreign country to smear his political rival. Its like comparing a guy who jay walked to a rapist. They are not even remotely similar cases. 

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    The facts are that he committed crimes. 

    It's such a shame that none of the Articles of Impeachment are crimes then.
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    It's such a shame that none of the Articles of Impeachment are crimes then.
    I agree that it is a shame the dems did not include all the crimes trump has committed. But it is an extensive list and they wanted to make it as simple as possible.

    But obstruction of justice (since congress was doing the investigation obstructing them is obstruction of justice) and abuse of office are crimes. 

    I'm not sure why people are so easily taken in by lies they hear on right wing propaganda sites. 


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    Obstructing Congress is not Obstructing justice. If that were the case, every veto would be an impeachable offense.
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    Obstructing Congress is not Obstructing justice. If that were the case, every veto would be an impeachable offense.
    During an impeachment inquiry, congress takes the role of the investigator. Obstructing an impeachment inquiry is obstructing justice. 

    If you believe that a president can't be charged criminally, and there can be no consequences for blocking an impeachment inquiry, you are essentially arguing that every president should be completely above the low and never have to face any consequences for any actions. IE, a king. 

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    Except Congress did not take the role of investigator. One man did. That's not Congress and Trump can obstruct one man who was abusing power.
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    If you believe that a president can't be charged criminally, and there can be no consequences for blocking an impeachment inquiry, you are essentially arguing that every president should be completely above the low and never have to face any consequences for any actions. IE, a king. 

    Clinton was found to commit crimes in a court, not Congress.

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    Clinton was found to commit crimes in a court, not Congress.
    I'm not certain what your point is. The republican position is that a sitting president cannot be charged with a crime. They are also arguing it is not impeachable for him to obstruct an investigation into himself. 

    So he can't be charged, he can only be impeached. And he if he blocks the impeachment investigation then that isn't a problem either. Essentially the republican argument at the moment is that a president can do whatever he wants, block any investigation into his actions and there is nothing anyone can do about. Basically, they are arguing the president is a king.
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    Nobody was stopping 1/4 of Congress from presenting crimes to the Supreme Court. They simply had nothing to bring.

    You should be furious at the lack of spine and competence of the 1/4 of Congress.
    How could they fuck up so badly when they had 3 years to prepare?

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    Nobody was stopping 1/4 of Congress from presenting crimes to the Supreme Court. They simply had nothing to bring.
    What does this even mean? The justice department says that a president can't be charged with a crime. What are you talking about?

    You should be furious at the lack of spine and competence of the 1/4 of Congress.
    How could they fuck up so badly when they had 3 years to prepare?
    I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. Is this some right wing conspiracy theory nonsense? 
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    They have no accomplishments excpet undoing an democracy election
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    DOJ is an executive branch used to facilitate communication between the executive branch and Courts of law.

    1/4 of Congress isn't so fucked up yet <we hope> to believe that they must go through an Executive Branch administrative department to make a case before a US court.

    You should be furious at the lack of spine and competence of the 1/4 of Congress.
    How could they fuck up so badly when they had 3 years to prepare?

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    They have no accomplishments excpet undoing an democracy election
    They have passed a huge number of bills in the house. The republicans in the senate block all of them. They then claim the dems "do nothing". 

    Obstruct and deflect is basically all republicans do for the last 10 years. Oh, and give more money to their millionaire/billionaire donors.