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  • Dr.Franklin
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    Another fuckery by obama's foreign policy


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    Yeah, now you have to be careful to not get Gaddafi-ed
  • Discipulus_Didicit
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    So you see something wrong in the world and you want to blame someone? Well here is a simple solution... just blame the POTUS! You are pro Trump and therefore he can't be blamed for anything? That's fine, blame Obama since he used to be the POTUS. Pro Obama? Blame Bush.

    Pro Bush? Blame Clinton.
    Pro Clinton? Blame other Bush.
    Pro other Bush? Blame Reagan.
    Pro Reagan? Blame Carter.
    Pro Carter? Blame Ford.
    Pro Ford? Blame Nixon.
    Pro Nixon? Blame Johnson.
    Pro Johnson? Don't even bother blaming Kennedy, skip straight to Eisenhower.
    Pro Eisenhower? Blame Truman.
    Pro Truman? Blame Roosevelt.
    Pro Roosevelt? Blame Hoover.
    Pro Hoover? Blame Coolidge.
    Pro Coolidge? Blame Harding?
    Pro Harding? Of course you aren't, you've never even heard of him. If you want to give him the benefit of the doubt though then blame Wilson.
    Pro Wilson? Blame Taft.
    Pro Taft? Blame other Roosevelt.
    Pro other Roosevelt? Blame McKinley.
    Pro McKinley? Blame Cleaveland.
    Pro Cleaveland? Blame Harrison?
    Pro Harrison? Blame Arthur.
    Pro Arthur? Blame Garfield.
    Pro Garfield? Blame Hayes.
    Pro Hayes? Blame Grant.
    Pro Grant? Blame Johnson.
    I hope you aren't pro Johnson though because you are going to have a hard time blaming Lincoln for anything.


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    Lol, it is funny because I do blame Johnson!



  • Imabench
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    The Arab Spring movement which caused the insurrection in the first place combined with the NATO enforced no fly zone did way more to cause Libya to fall into a shitshow then anything Obama did 
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    The Arab Spring movement which caused the insurrection in the first place combined with the NATO enforced no fly zone did way more to cause Libya to fall into a shitshow then anything Obama did 
  • Greyparrot
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    you are going to have a hard time blaming Lincoln for anything.

    Lincoln violated the constitution, specifically habeus corpus, although I suppose you could argue Confederates and Confederate sympathizers were not protected by the constitution. Much like people today argue that foreign invaders crossing the border illegally are not protected.
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    power vacuum filled
  • Discipulus_Didicit
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    You're playing the game wrong. You are supposed to blame a POTUS.
  • Discipulus_Didicit
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    --> @Greyparrot
    BUT HE FREED THE BLACKS ARE YOU RACIST AGAINST BLACKS?!?!

  • Greyparrot
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    He never freed the blacks in the North. They were not freed until 3 years after Lincoln Died.

  • Discipulus_Didicit
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    FreEd ThE BLaCKS uR arE racISermMergeKshIKOperscHNaPps
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    (f)REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
  • SirAnonymous
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    It is part of the law that everything, no matter how minor or disconnected from the Oval Office, must be blamed on the current POTUS. 

    So obviously, you get to blame my annoying presence on none other than Orange Man Bad.
  • bmdrocks21
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    Who says we have to blame current problems on the last POTUS? We can just blame slavery on Orange Man Bad. It is easier because then we don't have to remember so many presidents.

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    Nothing wrong with that as long as you are blaming a POTUS you can blame any POTUS you want. Just don't go around trying to explain what actually happened like imabench.
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    Wed. Apr. 6 2011
    Embattled Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi reached out to the U.S. on Wednesday, sending a letter to President Barack Obama asking him to halt the NATO military campaign in his country.

    NATO has been on a mission to enforce a no-fly zone and protect civilians from attack by pro-Gadhafi forces. NATO jets have destroyed much of the Libyan air force's firepower.

    In Gadhafi's three-page letter, he calls the U.S. president "our son" and describes the mission as an "unjust war against a small people of a developing country."

    The rambling communique, which was sent to the State Department and forwarded to the White House, also wishes Obama good luck in next year's presidential election and strikes a conciliatory tone.

    "To serving world peace ... Friendship between our peoples ... and for the sake of economic, and security co-operation against terror, you are in a position to keep NATO off the Libyan affair for good," Gadhafi writes in the letter, obtained by The Associated Press.

    While the White House confirmed that the letter had been received, an official said the ceasefire request could not be met at this time.

    "The conditions the president laid out are clear," White House press secretary Jay Carney told reporters.

    The news Wednesday came on the same day a former U.S. congressman arrived in Libya for talks with Gadhafi. Curt Weldon, who was personally invited by Gadhafi, described the trip as a private mission to urge the longtime leader to step down.

    He said he had informed the White House about the trip as well as some members of Congress. It wasn't clear whether Gadhafi's letter to Obama was linked to Weldon's visit.
    Weldon has been to Libya on two previous occasions.

    Shifting ground war strategies

    Earlier Wednesday, stung by more than two weeks of aerial bombardments, forces loyal to Gadhafi began adjusting their tactics and frustrating rebel attempts to retake a key oil port in the process.

    Rebel forces are trying to fight their way back into the eastern oil port of Brega. They had taken control of the town with the support of an aerial bombardment on Monday, but a barrage of rocket and artillery fire from pro-Gadhafi forces turned them on their heels Tuesday.

    As the rebels fled as far as Ajdabiya, several dozen kilometres away, there did not appear to be any immediate response from international aircraft patrolling the skies.

    "When you see this, the situation is very bad. We cannot match their weapons," 64-year-old retired soldier-turned-rebel militia Kamal Mughrabi told The Associated Press. "If the planes don't come back and hit them, we'll have to keep pulling back."

    But French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe said Wednesday that air strikes are more difficult now that a large portion of Gadhafi's aircraft and armoured vehicles have been destroyed.

    As a result, pro-Gadhafi forces left on the ground are harder to distinguish from the deserters who have joined the rebel militia. Gadhafi's forces are also said to be entrenched in residential areas of the besieged western city of Misrata, effectively taking cover among the civilian population.

    "They snuck their anti-aircraft weapons and tanks into the city. They are between the apartment buildings and the trees," a doctor speaking on condition of anonymity told the AP. "They disguise their equipment on the big agricultural trucks that the farmers use outside of town. They bring in mortars with civilian cars."

    Reporting from Benghazi, CTV's Janis Mackey Frayer says the situation underscores the current, challenging phase of the international military mission that began on March 19.

    "There are only so many targets that would fall within the mandate of the NATO air campaign," she said, explaining that the mission is primarily aimed at protecting Libya's civilian population.

    "Gadhafi forces are said to be sticking close to civilian centres," she added. "So the more integration, the tougher it is for these air strikes to realize their goals and not have collateral damage."

    On Tuesday, Brig. Gen. Mark Van Uhm of NATO said UN-sanctioned air strikes had destroyed as much as one-third of Gadhafi's weapons, as he promised the aerial missions would continue.

    Whether the planes can actually attack their targets is another question, however, as he noted three-quarters of the scheduled missions ended without dropping any bombs or missiles as the pilots were unable to distinguish between fighters and civilians.

    Whatever the reason, Mackey Frayer said the change from the frequent bombardments in the early days of the international campaign is frustrating some.

    The rebels fighting to oust Gadhafi have nevertheless marked a number of significant advances, including official recognition of their transitional council by the governments of France, Italy and Qatar.

    The rebels are also trying to ship their first tanker load of oil from the eastern city of Tobruk.

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    President Barack Obama launched an air campaign against Libya on this day, March 19, 2011. The decision to order the strikes came after the United Nations Security Council passed a resolution, spearheaded by his administration, that authorized military intervention in Libya.
    Obama said the military action sought to save the lives of peaceful, pro-democracy protesters who found themselves the target of a crackdown by Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi.

    Apr. 6 2011.
    Embattled Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi reached out to the U.S. on Wednesday, sending a letter to President Barack Obama asking him to halt the NATO military campaign in his country.

    NATO has been on a mission to enforce a no-fly zone and protect civilians from attack by pro-Gadhafi forces. NATO jets have destroyed much of the Libyan air force's firepower.

    In Gadhafi's three-page letter, he calls the U.S. president "our son" and describes the mission as an "unjust war against a small people of a developing country."

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    Yeah, learning what actually happened and then explaining it is far too difficult. I would just rather slander people I don’t like, thank you very much
  • Dr.Franklin
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    lol