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    Who do you think won?
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    I think Bloomberg took a really hard kicking. I think Biden looked like he didn't know what he was saying half the time. Klobachar and Butigieg took lots of shots at each other, but they are mostly irrelevant at this point anyway. 

    The person who stood out to me most was warren. It is probably way too late for it to change her fortunes. If she had acted like that the whole time, she would probably be winning. It's a bit sad she gave in to her corporate, Clinton era advisers for most of the campaign and destroyed herself.

    Ultimately, Sanders is still looking extremely strong coming out of this debate. He is the front runner nationally. He is leading in Nevada by more than 10 points. I think this debate will primarily help Sanders. 
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    Biggest winner was Donald Trump. Biggest loser was Michael Bloomberg
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    Biggest winner was Donald Trump. Biggest loser was Michael Bloomberg
    I keep seeing people saying that, but it just seems silly to me. Trump has his base. They are going to vote for him no matter what. The democratic debates have absolutely no effect on that. 

    Having a vigorous debate where the critical flaws of candidates come out is a very good thing. It keeps bad candidates from getting the nomination and then getting crushed. Insofar as this debate hamstrung Bloomberg, it was very bad for Trump since Trump would crush Bloomberg. 


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    He’d beat anyone on that stage. The thing that struck out most to me was the pledge to not support the person who got the most delegates after round 1 at the convention.
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    He’d beat anyone on that stage.
    polls show that Biden and Sanders would both beat trump. Sanders in particular is well placed to beat trump. 

    The thing that struck out most to me was the pledge to not support the person who got the most delegates after round 1 at the convention.
    Yeah that was a bit slimy. Basically, everyone on that stage (other than sanders of course) knows they have little to no chance of getting the most votes going into a brokered convention. (biden theoretically still could, but I think it is unlikely) They know that their only path to winning is if they can sleaze the super delegates into crowning them. Committing to upholding the will of the people would make it basically impossible for most of them to win. 
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    It's clear that the big loser was actually the DNC, because it is apparent at this point that if Bernie does NOT get the nomination, nearly half of the Democratic party will never again feel like it is a viable party for socialists.
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    I also liked the part where Klobuchar said if you want to get rid of the sexism, elect a woman.

    The hypocrisy was lost on nearly the entire audience.
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    I also liked the part where Klobuchar said if you want to get rid of the sexism, elect a woman.

    The hypocrisy was lost on nearly the entire audience.
    I had a good laugh about that line. She is just so cringey. I mean electing Obama didn't solve racism. The idea that electing a woman would solve sexism is just stupid on the face of it. 
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    In a way, Obama helped to end racism by definitively proving having black skin makes you neither a superhero or a pariah, as he was undoubtedly the most mediocre middle of the road forgettable president in the last 100 years, ending the ridiculous notion that melanin equates to merit.

    Now shut the fuck up and sit down straight white male, the Democrats are talking.
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    In a way, Obama helped to end racism by definitively proving having black skin makes you neither a superhero or a pariah, as he was undoubtedly the most mediocre middle of the road forgettable president in the last 100 years, ending the ridiculous notion that melanin equates to merit.
    I agree he was a forgettable president. He campaigned on the left, won big, then sold out and moved right after he won accomplishing very little. 

    But there are still Nazi marches in america. Black people still regularly get harassed and discriminated against. Him being president didn't change racism. I mean bloomberg has polled in 2nd place and he has openly advocated for racist policies for years. 

    A woman being president wouldn't change sexism. 


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    It's much more likely that you will personally meet a member of Antifa, BLM, or the Black Panthers than you will personally meet a member of the Nazi party or the KKK in America. 

    Tabloid new's reason for existence hinges on chasing down elusive gotcha stories like celebrity lovers and alien abductions.
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    It's much more likely that you will personally meet a member of Antifa, BLM, or the Black Panthers than you will personally meet a member of the Nazi party or the KKK in America. 
    of course, most racists wouldn't admit to being in the KKK or the Nazi party. But there are WAY more racists than antifa. 

    Edit - I meant that most racists wouldn't join a club devoted to racism. but they are still racists. 
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    I really can't argue that Antifa is racist because they will attack any person of color wearing a Magahat.
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    I'm not going to defend antifa. They engage in lots of behavior I don't agree with. But someone fighting against fascism is still a much better person than someone fighting to suppress the rights of people of color. 
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    does this mean we can be rest assured the choice to drink as large a soda as we want?!?!
    how come antifa doesn't protest that fascist?  
    I can't think of anyone running more authoritarian than dumberg.
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    BLM and Black Panthers are undeniably racist though and orders of magnitudes larger than the KKK.

    I have met 2 personally. How many have you met personally?
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    BLM and Black Panthers are undeniably racist though and orders of magnitudes larger than the KKK.
    BLM isn't racist. It is literally about making people see that black lives are the same as white lives. It is the exact opposite of racist. It is about equality between races. Now, are certain members of that movement racist, yeah sure, but the movement itself is not. 

    Are the black panthers even a thing any more? 

    I am not arguing that the Klan has huge membership in america. But that isnt because racism has gone away. It is because being associated with the Klan is no longer seen as acceptable. So racists are still racists, they just don't sign up to a club for racists. 


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    polls show that Biden and Sanders would both beat trump. Sanders in particular is well placed to beat trump. 

    A.) Polls this far out don’t mean anything

    B.) Remember how the polls worked out last time? 

    On a a side note, Joe is practically done. Sanders is gaining in South Carolina. If Joe doesn’t get first, he’s done. The nominee will likely be Bernie Sanders who moderates do not like. Anecdotally, these moderates are scared of Bernie Sanders whenever I’ve asked them. They wouldn’t vote for Trump, they’d leave it blank or right in someone. Last night proved that Bernie is very vulnerable. He got lucky the person who attacked him was Bloomberg.
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    Bernie or Bust spells disaster for the Democratic Party. Candidates in the mold of Bernie Sanders got slaughtered in 2018 by their own party or the GOP. It’s funny to think that Democrats will somehow hold the House with Bernie and Trump at the top of the ticket.
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    Trump is very quiet relatively when it comes to Bernie Sanders, because he knows exactly what Bernie will to the DNC establishment. All he has to do is sit back and let it happen.

    After the primaries are over, Trump will fry him mercilessly. No doubt. Probably explain just how much your taxes will rise up front to pay for government programs and policies that will take years to implement. Americans like to invest in themselves and their families, not DC.
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    Amen. Every moderate Democrat I’ve asked has said they would write someone in or leave it blank if it was Trump v Sanders. One teacher that I have is extremely moderate. He’s pro gun but a heavy Biden supporter. Even he said the only person who’d scare him is Bernie Sanders in which case he’d write himself in. And he hates Trumps guts. Absolutely abhors him. It says something.
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    A.) Polls this far out don’t mean anything

    B.) Remember how the polls worked out last time? 

    true. bernie will beat trump by more than what the polls say. 

    On a a side note, Joe is practically done. Sanders is gaining in South Carolina. If Joe doesn’t get first, he’s done.
    agreed. Biden made a big deal out of how he didn't need to win Iowa or New Hampshire or even Nevada because he was going to win big in the south. South Carolina was supposed to be his firewall. If he doesn't win it, or even if he does and the results are really close, he is in big trouble. He had a HUGE lead there like a month or 2 ago. 

    The nominee will likely be Bernie Sanders who moderates do not like.
    agreed he is the most likely nominee. Disagree that moderates do not like him. He is the most popular senator in the country. 

     Last night proved that Bernie is very vulnerable. He got lucky the person who attacked him was Bloomberg.
    lol vulnerable to what? They are using the same lies that have been thrown at him for years. They have nothing. 
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    true. bernie will beat trump by more than what the polls say. 
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    We will see 🤷‍♂️

    agreed he is the most likely nominee. Disagree that moderates do not like him. He is the most popular senator in the country. 
    Correct but that’s just with Vermont which is very D+15 as a state. Slightly misleading to say he’s the most popular senator in the nation. (He is but it doesn’t mean much).

    lol vulnerable to what? They are using the same lies that have been thrown at him for years. They have nothing. 
    He’d be slaughtered in any swing state or swing congressional district. Radicals like him were practically wiped out in House races in 2018.