-It is normal to have disobedience if the rule conveyer forces without reasoning.

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Agree or disagree?

I, as the starter, agrees. Any takers who disagrees?
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Yes, good topic. The only suggestion I have is to repeat the topic title in your initial post, and make additional commentary of why you support your belief, and you can and should use sourcing [just copy and paste into your text lie so:  https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4027/it-is-normal-to-have-disobedience-if-the-rule-conveyer-forces-without-reasoning].

Then, other posters, such as me, can see your reasoning and comment either in support of, or against your proposal. I guarantee others will take the discussion off-topic by gradual drift, such as by arguing: "some rulers do not force, or coerce their subjects, therefore, there is no valid reason for the subjects to be disobedient," or, "people are disobedient regardless of a ruler's disposition." When this happens, try to keep the discussion on point.

So, my commentary on the subject:

Any coercion on the part of a 'ruler' [I presume you chose that word as being all-inclusive; divinity to the most base of mortal rulers], will at least accept that disobedience will occur, not that they accept its validity, but that they accept human nature will rebel against it. What is interesting to me is that despotic rulers will always argue that they have the agency to impose rules that will foster disobedience, but deny the agency of their captive subjects to be disobedient.
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yes.
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Oh really. I think I am wrong but why do I have an image of a totalitarian tyrant when I think of you? No offense. I am sorry.

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I see Dr Frank as a cynical yes man.

Nonetheless, I agree with him in this instance.


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you are absolutely right sir
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Right? about what?
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what you claimed
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So, you ARE a dictator. is that what you are saying? I am sorry if not.
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yes.
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Then why do you agree with me? So you accept people will disobey you if you take charge, or you will always give reasons?

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I do not reason, I love tyranny
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Has to do with trust. If you dont trust someone, yes easily. But if you do trust someone, then the why is less important, especially if you know them.