-It is normal to have disobedience if the rule conveyer forces without reasoning.

Author: User_2006 ,

Topic's posts

Posts in total: 13
  • User_2006
    User_2006 avatar
    Debates: 50
    Forum posts: 518
    3
    3
    11
    User_2006 avatar
    User_2006
    Agree or disagree?

    I, as the starter, agrees. Any takers who disagrees?
  • fauxlaw
    fauxlaw avatar
    Debates: 43
    Forum posts: 1,305
    3
    6
    10
    fauxlaw avatar
    fauxlaw
    --> @User_2006
    Yes, good topic. The only suggestion I have is to repeat the topic title in your initial post, and make additional commentary of why you support your belief, and you can and should use sourcing [just copy and paste into your text lie so:  https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4027/it-is-normal-to-have-disobedience-if-the-rule-conveyer-forces-without-reasoning].

    Then, other posters, such as me, can see your reasoning and comment either in support of, or against your proposal. I guarantee others will take the discussion off-topic by gradual drift, such as by arguing: "some rulers do not force, or coerce their subjects, therefore, there is no valid reason for the subjects to be disobedient," or, "people are disobedient regardless of a ruler's disposition." When this happens, try to keep the discussion on point.

    So, my commentary on the subject:

    Any coercion on the part of a 'ruler' [I presume you chose that word as being all-inclusive; divinity to the most base of mortal rulers], will at least accept that disobedience will occur, not that they accept its validity, but that they accept human nature will rebel against it. What is interesting to me is that despotic rulers will always argue that they have the agency to impose rules that will foster disobedience, but deny the agency of their captive subjects to be disobedient.
  • Dr.Franklin
    Dr.Franklin avatar
    Debates: 32
    Forum posts: 8,505
    4
    6
    11
    Dr.Franklin avatar
    Dr.Franklin
    yes.
  • User_2006
    User_2006 avatar
    Debates: 50
    Forum posts: 518
    3
    3
    11
    User_2006 avatar
    User_2006
    --> @Dr.Franklin
    Oh really. I think I am wrong but why do I have an image of a totalitarian tyrant when I think of you? No offense. I am sorry.

  • zedvictor4
    zedvictor4 avatar
    Debates: 13
    Forum posts: 2,820
    3
    2
    3
    zedvictor4 avatar
    zedvictor4
    --> @User_2006
    I see Dr Frank as a cynical yes man.

    Nonetheless, I agree with him in this instance.


  • Dr.Franklin
    Dr.Franklin avatar
    Debates: 32
    Forum posts: 8,505
    4
    6
    11
    Dr.Franklin avatar
    Dr.Franklin
    --> @User_2006
    you are absolutely right sir
  • User_2006
    User_2006 avatar
    Debates: 50
    Forum posts: 518
    3
    3
    11
    User_2006 avatar
    User_2006
    --> @Dr.Franklin
    Right? about what?
  • Dr.Franklin
    Dr.Franklin avatar
    Debates: 32
    Forum posts: 8,505
    4
    6
    11
    Dr.Franklin avatar
    Dr.Franklin
    --> @User_2006
    what you claimed
  • User_2006
    User_2006 avatar
    Debates: 50
    Forum posts: 518
    3
    3
    11
    User_2006 avatar
    User_2006
    --> @Dr.Franklin
    So, you ARE a dictator. is that what you are saying? I am sorry if not.
  • Dr.Franklin
    Dr.Franklin avatar
    Debates: 32
    Forum posts: 8,505
    4
    6
    11
    Dr.Franklin avatar
    Dr.Franklin
    --> @User_2006
    yes.
  • User_2006
    User_2006 avatar
    Debates: 50
    Forum posts: 518
    3
    3
    11
    User_2006 avatar
    User_2006
    --> @Dr.Franklin
    Then why do you agree with me? So you accept people will disobey you if you take charge, or you will always give reasons?

  • Dr.Franklin
    Dr.Franklin avatar
    Debates: 32
    Forum posts: 8,505
    4
    6
    11
    Dr.Franklin avatar
    Dr.Franklin
    --> @User_2006
    I do not reason, I love tyranny
  • Melcharaz
    Melcharaz avatar
    Debates: 4
    Forum posts: 426
    1
    4
    8
    Melcharaz avatar
    Melcharaz
    Has to do with trust. If you dont trust someone, yes easily. But if you do trust someone, then the why is less important, especially if you know them.