100th topic here: Is Taiwan really a nation now?

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    More interestingly.....Is the U.S.A. a Nation?...Or just a collection of States...More of a Sub-Continent perhaps.
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    Taiwan is a nation.
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    Everything about it says it's a nation

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    Based on infrastructure, Yes, but based on global recognition, no. 

    It could be a real nation, but most of them wouldn't even believe it. In fact, they didn't even declare themselves a nation, so I am more leaning towards No since New York or Hawaii can simply be its own independent nation, not that they wanted to. 
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    Challenge me to a debate. I would actually want to. Taiwan is self governing, it has it's own goddamn capitol. Why is it not a nation? 
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    They didn't even declare themselves a nation
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    Really? It fulfills all requirement based on international law. The only thing preventing it is China
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    Because of China, Taiwan isn't a nation. THEY DIDN"T DECLARE IT THEMSELVES. 
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    Challenge me to a debate pls
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    Taiwan is not a nation, it is an island belonging to China. Not the People's Republic of China but the Republic of China, two very different things.  The ROC is already a nation, it was a nation thousands of years ago, it doesn't need to declare its independence (in fact it was the historical China you read about). The People's Republic of China on the other hand did declare it's nationhood, because it revolted against the ROC a few decades ago. I suggest you read up on real Chinese history before you make bold comments like this one.


    So the real difference here is: the People's Republic of China owns the land of China but isn't really the historical China you read about. The Republic of China doesn't own the land of China but owns rather, a small little island called Taiwan, and is the historical China you read about.







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    Now I know you aren't Crocodile. 
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    An island is an island and therefore self contained.

    What the discussion is actually about. is assumed human difference relative to a global location.

    It would be better if people considered human isolation relative to universal location.

    But if you don't teach your kids common sense, they will more than likely grow up believing in non-sense.

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    Then you might as well call an isolated village, who may belong to the US or Japan, a nation. 
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    Hmmmm.

    I think that you didn't quite understand the message.
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    Countries don't actually exist. They are in our imagination.
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    Yep. I get what you're saying.

    Though we can create boundaries and differences that can be physically implemented, which therefore become realities....That is the human condition....The conversion of imagination into reality.