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Should trained school officials, teachers and the like be allowed to pack heat in the buildings vicinity in case of emergencies? are you comfortable with the idea of your children going through weapon detectors at school? we've had a few evacuations in my local area, both false alarms but still unnerving. A couple of death threats in the high school as well. What are good options in your opinion to protect students?
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The logic behind carrying firearms on your person in everyday life is to protect yourself from dangers like this. School is also real life, so if the logic is valid then students ought to be armed at school. This would make schools safer.

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"students ought to be armed at school"

The mental image of the absolute shitshow that would ensue from that lmao...

Omg no, no, a marching band performance, but everyones got AR-15's on a shoulder strap.

Also it'd be easy AF to find someone to signal the start of a race, be careful of Skylar though, hes been known to take out legs with his sidearm 

And don't get me started about Susie, you won' believe what she did when she got dumped at a school dance last year... 

Ok, actually, this should happen yesterday 😂😂


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See the thing is, 99% of students are completely normal, rational beings. They're not going to use their weapons for any reason other than self-defense. The 1% that do use their weapons are going to get eliminated in very short order. Thus America can bring the number of sane students from 99% to 100% via this policy.
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After reading that I think ur gonna get a text from Harvard any minute now offering you a scholarship cause I just can't refute 
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See the thing is, 99% of students are completely normal, rational beings.

lol
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not without very good, through training and practice.  Law enforcement also goes through a psychological evaluation, which I think would also be appropriate if you wish to carry in school (only).  What you do outside of school is your own business.
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See the thing is, 99% of students are completely normal, rational beings.

lol

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Not sure what you are implying.
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Im paying respects to 99% of students being rational. It was nice to think while it lasted 
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lol Yeah. You need training if you want to use guns safely.
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Meanwhile, actual students: 

https://reason.com/blog/2017/04/17/pomona-college-students-say-theres-no-su
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"Pomona College Students say there is no such thing as truth, truth is a tool of white supremacy"

👏 Rationality strikes again! 👏
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lmao thats funny
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Yeah I would agree with that, a psychological evaluation is a good idea. I would hope the school authorities and teachers are undergoing that already lol. Doubt it though....I would assume most average teachers aren't experienced marksmen/shooters. Perhaps this should be something all teachers in todays world might want to practice to bring with them to the classroom being responsible for many children and young adults? I wonder if back in the little house on the prairie days if teachers had fire arms?
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back in the old days, men did the hunting and women were the teachers.  Discipline was far different than today.  Kids had chores, farm work etc, was no time go get into trouble.  The level of respect was very high back then, now it's all but gone.  Local indoor gun range is offering free and reduced costs for teachers.
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Should trained school officials, teachers and the like be allowed to pack heat in the buildings vicinity in case of emergencies? are you comfortable with the idea of your children going through weapon detectors at school? we've had a few evacuations in my local area, both false alarms but still unnerving. A couple of death threats in the high school as well. What are good options in your opinion to protect students?

Who is going to pay for the training these teachers will need?
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The part of me that was made to feel powerless in school enjoyed that clip far too much. I mean, since I knew it was just a movie. If it had been real footage I'm pretty sure I would have thrown up.

What the hell were those soldiers in the courtyard doing, anyway? They just took a knee on the grass right out in the open and started firing up at the roof, taking no cover whatsoever. Some of them laid flat on their bellies. That's only helpful if you and the shooter are at the same elevation. If the shooter's standing a hundred feet above you at a 45 degree angle it's friggin' useless to lay down in the open.

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That's one of the things I love about the old life, kids were raised doing work and chores on the farm and they'd learn a lot by just being responsible and hard working. That is definitely almost entirely lost now at least in America.
I'd like to see comparison of curriculum of now and then, I could imagine even the language used by teachers then was not very polished.

I really like that idea of your local gun range that is cool. If kids knew teachers were partially armed and could take control of a situation very quickly, plus the teachers next door, plus security it's gotta mess with the minds of young adults wanting to commit crimes on others in school.
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One option a member brought up was a local gun range offering teachers discounts for lessons. TBH all in all it's not a very expensive, time-consuming practice really. It's not like they need to be snipers and know how to traverse rugged terrain. Learning to shoot a handgun is relatively simple and inexpensive. The only other option really is that teachers and all the kids in a classroom be completely defenseless.....if an incident were to take place. As I mentioned above we've had several incidents and threats just in our area. The scary thing is, is that the more these types of crimes happen the more psychos will be conscious of it, back when I was a kid no one ever even heard of such a thing, now it's the norm.
School is a rough place no joke, the school I went to was dangerous enough WITHOUT school shootings. 
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Lol, that's the thing about bad guys....once you get a defensive plan they restrategize! 
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Their training would have to involve more than just learning to shoot, I would think. Someone who has never been in a life or death situation has no idea how they will react in one. Animal fear could take over, they could lose their self-control. They could start shooting with panic fire. Soldiers and police are trained and trained and trained to deal with nerves like that, teachers aren't. They're just civilians. And at the firing range you're just learning how to hone your marksmanship in a safe and calm environment.

Local gun range idea's not bad, as long as the discount is considerable. Given teachers' salary, I don't think they'll be very enthusiastic about having to pay for it themselves.
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I see what you're saying, but it's like a anything else I guess....just having some experience is better than none. We're talking last minute resorts here as school mass crimes are somewhat rare in general but again. If criminals are aware that schools are protected even just a little, it may play an advantage. I don't really know what the answers TBH that's why I'm discussing it here but I think anything is better than nothing in this context. I just don't like the idea of kids being vulnerable especially in todays world.
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I don't know where you are from, but one of the more recent school shootings in Maryland was relinquished rather quickly by someone armed. I believe it was an officer but the point is that having protection could prevent further damage by a long shot. I think though having access to fire arms both outside and inside would be better. It just so happened the shooter was outside and there was an officer but had the shooter been inside the school there could have been serious consequences. 
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On a serious note, i dont think both training and arming certain teachers is a bad idea. Necessarily, but a better way to go about it fmpov is just hiring guards or something like that. Maybe military veterans? That way training is gucci for the most part. Specific situational training can be given easily enough and wouldn't be as expensive as the teacher route which would imho require far more money spent. 

The practical concern with that fmpov is that those guards might otherwise be known and planned for. BUT, guards need not necessarily *only* be guards. They can be hidden in plain sight as another staff member like janitor, teacher, cafeteria, etc. 

Another concern might be losing control of that weapon somehow. Or using it in a situation where it shouldnt be. But perhaps mandatory safe storage and specific restrictions to only mandate use in an active shooter situation? 

Just the possibility of guns is a major deterrent, let alone when a gun(or another) enters the situation. Personal experience, one time ive had to pull out my firearm at home, and just the sound of cocking the shotgun caused whoever was trying to break in to run away. 
 
Obviously, school shooters would be different, they'll just keep going till they're stopped or cornered often. So the presence of firearms to me seems a necessity to reducing total harm in such a situation 🤔. And SRO's and the like dont seem to be cutting it, and like in Parkland, preventative measures are abysmal. Ignoring warning signs, not passing along information, waiting outside and letting the shooter run rampant, all just no bueno fmpov. All these things need to be addressed, arming certain staff members, or hiring staff members that are fully capable of being armed, would just be addressing one of them, but it seems like a solid place to start
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