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    Part 1: Evolution of Pi

    1D Pi is ratio of diameter of perfect circle { area } to the diameter of same circle and topologically the the mininal 2D circle,  is a triangle.

    Pi = 3.14 15 92 65 35 89 79 32 38 46 26 43 38 32 79 5
    ..........14 is 2 * 7...........................................................................
    .......................................7 falls in 14th overall position.....
    ...triangle has 3 lines/edges/vectors ergo 3 lines edges plus a little bit more is 3.1........

    Pi^2 = 9.86 96 04 40 10 89 35 86 18 83 44 90 99 98 76 2
    ............2nd occurrence  89 and here it falls just before 5 * 7 = 35

    ....Pi^3 i.e. { XYZ powering } = 31.00 62 7 66 80 29 98 20 17 54 76 31 50 67 10 1
    ......................................falls in 7th .....#7 ..............and in 14th position again........
    ..............................................................and again in the 24th overall position 7............
    ..............31 bilateral spinal nerves ergo 62 total spinal nerves...........................................
    ...........................................double 00's seperates 62 further from rational whole number 31.

    Pi^4 / 4 = 24.35 22 7 27 58 50 06 09 30 91 10 08 31 72 17 6
    ...this latter above being what I called renormalization of Pi^4, to XYZ  { space-volume format }...
    .....................falls  7th position.............
    ..........5 * 7 = 35........................................................28th position ergo 4 * 7 = 28.....

    Pi^4 - 31 { XYZ } = 66.40 90 91 03 40 02 43 72 36 44 03 32 68 87 05
    .......alternate renormalization of P^4 via substraction of the XYZ whole number 31 value........

    Pi^5 = 306.01 96 84 78 52 81 45 32 62 74 13 10 04 34 4...

    Pi^5 - 31 { XYZ } = 275.01 96 84 78 52 81 45 32 62 74 13 10 04 34 4

    Pi^5 / 5 = 61.20 39 36 95 70 56 29 06 52 54 82 62 00 86 87
    ................................2nd or 3rd repeat of double 00's........

    As for the double 00's --Mr Bond-- we find below on Pascals Triangle  LINK  ---which is same as Fullers triangle of the Vector Equilibriums surface triangle frequency occurrences--- occurs at the 24th frequency ergo the 13th vertex and is as follows......1001, 2002 and 3003.....as found in rational whole numbers so not the exactly the same methodology. 

    Pascal Triangle see LINK of hexagon/spherical patterning 12th frequency ---ergo 11 simplex--- is the 13 vertex i.e. hexagons/sphericals i.e. if we count 12 hexagons/sphericals on left or right side we have the lateral line as follows;

    1, 12, 66, 220, 395, 792, 924 STOP and reverse order <<<<<<<<<<< and this lateral line is 13 hexagons/sphericals.

    I say hexagons/sphericals, because I believe we directly relate this Pascal triangle to the surface of the VE and its associated frequencies.  Now were finally getting clarity of what is what and how they all relate.

    55 being on the lateral line higher ergo 11 hexagons/sphericals, 11th frequency ergo 10-simple polytope.

    So back to my 55 queries because 55 is the 11th number on Fibonacci line if we count 0 and the 10th number if do not count 0.

    Fibonacci line...0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144 and we take note of 144 for being 12 * 12 and,

    the the number of tetrahedral quanta in the rhombic dodecahedron in the Concentric Hierarchy. LINK and ZOOM in for finer detail

     The 5's start reoccuring at the 5th frequency of Pascal ergo the VE.

    ......1-5-10-10-5-1.........2 * 5 = 10
    1-6-15-20-20-15-6-1
    1-7-21-35-35-21-7-1 and 7 * 5  = 35 and this looked familiar to me via my Pi-powering research see P^4/4 above

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    Revised with corrections

    Where soul **, meets spirit :--), meets Metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts

    Part 1: Evolution of Pi

    1D Pi is ratio ofcircumference of perfect circle { area } to the diameter of same circle and topologically the the mininal 2D circle,  is a triangle. { area }

    Pi = 3.14 15 92 65 35 89 79 32 38 46 26 43 38 32 79 5
    ..........14 is 2 * 7...........................................................................
    .......................................7 falls in 14th overall position.....
    ...triangle has 3 lines/edges/vectors ergo 3 lines edges plus a little bit more is 3.1........

    Pi^2 = 9.86 96 04 40 10 89 35 86 18 83 44 90 99 98 76 2
    ............2nd occurrence  89 and here it falls just before 5 * 7 = 35

    ....Pi^3 i.e. { XYZ powering } = 31.00 62 7 66 80 29 98 20 17 54 76 31 50 67 10 1
    ......................................falls in 7th .....#7 ..............and in 14th position again........
    ..............................................................and again in the 24th overall position 7............
    ..............31 bilateral spinal nerves ergo 62 total spinal nerves...........................................
    ...........................................double 00's seperates 62 further from rational whole number 31.

    Pi^4 / 4 = 24.35 22 7 27 58 50 06 09 30 91 10 08 31 72 17 6
    ...this latter above being what I called renormalization of Pi^4, to XYZ  { space-volume format }...
    .....................falls  7th position.............
    ..........5 * 7 = 35........................................................28th position ergo 4 * 7 = 28.....

    Pi^4 - 31 { XYZ } = 66.40 90 91 03 40 02 43 72 36 44 03 32 68 87 05
    .......alternate renormalization of P^4 via substraction of the XYZ whole number 31 value........

    Pi^5 = 306.01 96 84 78 52 81 45 32 62 74 13 10 04 34 4...

    Pi^5 - 31 { XYZ } = 275.01 96 84 78 52 81 45 32 62 74 13 10 04 34 4

    Pi^5 / 5 = 61.20 39 36 95 70 56 29 06 52 54 82 62 00 86 87
    ................................2nd or 3rd repeat of double 00's........

    As for the double 00's --Mr Bond-- we find below on Pascals Triangle  LINK  ---which is same as Fullers triangle of the Vector Equilibriums surface triangle frequency occurrences--- occurs at the 24th frequency ergo the 13th vertex and is as follows......1001, 2002 and 3003.....as found in rational whole numbers so not the exactly the same methodology. 

    Pascal Triangle see LINK of hexagon/spherical patterning 12th frequency ---ergo 11 simplex--- is the 13 vertex i.e. hexagons/sphericals i.e. if we count 12 hexagons/sphericals on left or right side we have the lateral line as follows;

    1, 12, 66, 220, 395, 792, 924 STOP and reverse order <<<<<<<<<<< and this lateral line is 13 hexagons/sphericals.

    I say hexagons/sphericals, because I believe we directly relate this Pascal triangle to the surface of the VE and its associated frequencies.  Now were finally getting clarity of what is what and how they all relate.

    55 being on the lateral line higher ergo 11 hexagons/sphericals, 11th frequency ergo 10-simple polytope.

    So back to my 55 queries because 55 is the 11th number on Fibonacci line if we count 0 and the 10th number if do not count 0.

    Fibonacci line...0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144 and we take note of 144 for being 12 * 12 and,

    the the number of tetrahedral quanta in the rhombic dodecahedron in the Concentric Hierarchy. LINK and ZOOM in for finer detail

     The 5's start reoccuring at the 5th frequency of Pascal ergo the VE.

    ......1-5-10-10-5-1.........2 * 5 = 10
    1-6-15-20-20-15-6-1
    1-7-21-35-35-21-7-1 and 7 * 5  = 35 and this looked familiar to me via my Pi-powering research see P^4/4 above

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    Was Pi a known quantity pre-humanity?
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    .....Was Pi a known quantity pre-humanity?".....


    ..."At the other end of the scale, the wandering albatross – arguably the biggest flying animal on Earth – can cover more than 9,000 miles (5,500km) in a single trip. These birds can easily beat Phileas Fogg's challenge: one was tracked circumnavigating the globe in just 46 days."...

    Yes, there was bird named Archimedes who lived 10 million years ago, and his repeated circumnavigations of the Earth led him the first calculations of Pi.  Damn birds!
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    Did Archimedes the Albatross actually calculate and transfer Pi to knowledge?

    Or was Archimedes the Albatross just simply, unknowingly instilled with Pi.
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    ...."Did Archimedes the Albatross actually calculate and transfer Pi to knowledge?
    Or was Archimedes the Albatross just simply, unknowingly instilled with Pi. "...

    Enough of that scenario Zed.

    Archimede's the man was greatest of ancient mathematicians and the first to come close to calculating Pi via is geometrical inscribings, and of course that is not any of the pre-humanity non-sense you invoked.


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    You invoked Pi and gave it a spiritual flavour.

    Therefore I was merely curious, regarding the origins of Pi.

    Is Pi an innate universal component or just something that humans contrived to assist with their contrived mathematics?
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    ..."Is Pi an innate universal component or just something that humans contrived to assist with their contrived mathematics?"..

    Again, Archimedes was first known human to approximate the Pi value.  It is not "contrived, it is absolute truth discovered by humans.

    You seem to be being kinda moing towward some kind of superstition about an absolute mathematical truth i.e.  like many other humans, your trying to read some thing in to transcendental ratio that is not there. If you find something other than the circumference-to-diameter ratio of a presumed perfect circle please share.


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    Is an assumed "absolute truth" not superstition.?

    Though was I not asking that very question?....So let me put it another way....Was Pi always there to be found?


    Or, in simple terms, does the universe do what it does, irrespective of Pi.

    Aren't you just extolling the virtues of humanity rather than extolling the absolute truth's of the universe.
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    .."...So let me put it another way....Was Pi always there to be found?"....

    Yes, and now you finally appear to be getting your head around what and absolute truth is. Welcome to the Universe of eternal truth Zed.

    I knew you would get here sooner, or later.  Now we see how long before you fall of the wagon train of truths
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    So is what I refer to as a GOD principle the same as what you refer to as eternal truth?....All the necessary data required to perpetuate a universe or universes.
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    ..."So is what I refer to as a GOD principle the same as what you refer to as eternal truth?"...


    I dunno

    "....All the necessary data required to perpetuate a universe or universes."...

    Yes, that is where live, eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe as the only perpetual motion machine, that is complemented by, a finite set of eternally existent --ergo inviolate and non-contradictory--- cosmic principles aka physical laws aka Metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts

    As always my Cosmic Trinity Outline List is where others need to start to if they want to grasp the most comprehensive whole set with no parts being left out
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    So.... Do we also agree that a universe dictated by said "truth" is "finite"?

    As said truth or GOD principle has physical limitations dictated by "physical laws".


    Does your cosmic trinity (which I far from fully understand) extend beyond the limitations of a singular finite universe.?....Multiverses if you like, though I prefer to consider the idea of sequential universes.


    So one final proposition for you to consider......The truth or GOD principle is that which ensures the continuation of a universal sequence, and that which dictates a preordained evolutionary progression towards a final goal (re-initiation), of which humanity and it's knowledge is a crucial part.
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    So.... Do we also agree that a universe dictated by said "truth" is "finite"?
    I never said anything Universe being "dictated" about Metaphysical-1, absolute truths.

    Zed, some small engines and maybe some larger ones have what is called a governor mechanism, so it governs how fast the RPMs  --via gas and air flow--  the engine can run. That mechamsim is occupied space part, not a Metaphysical-1 absolute truth.

    Metaphysical-1, cosmic principles truths physical laws etc do not govern or control Universe.  Do you understand?  They are complementary to occupied space mecahnisms they are not occupied space mechanisms of dictations, control or governance.


    As said truth or GOD principle has physical limitations dictated by "physical laws".
    False. Occupied space Universe is dictated by Gravity, Dark Energy and all subsequent fermionic matter and bosonic forces.

    Does your cosmic trinity (which I far from fully understand) extend beyond the limitations of a singular finite universe.?....Multiverses if you like, though I prefer to consider the idea of sequential universes.
    Zed havent we been on this road before.  There are not multi-verse Universes.  Uni = 1, not 2 or more.  Any or all  occupied space universe's are all minimally connected by Gravity ergo one Universe. Do you get it?  There is not mega-verses, only ht eone Universe composed of many parts or many local small u, universes if you must have them defined in some way or another.


    So one final proposition for you to consider......The truth or GOD principle is that which ensures the continuation of a universal sequence, and that which dictates a preordained evolutionary progression towards a final goal (re-initiation), of which humanity and it's knowledge is a crucial part.
    1} I have no idea what your "GOD principle" is,  ...not do I think you have any idea what it is you think your thinking....,

    2} does the finite, occupied space Universe reset itself for a next WOW! aka the male Big Bang! or the pregant female Big Grunt!?  I dunno but I suspect it does. See Roger Penroses Conformal Cyclic Universe. LINK HERE


    Ive been following Penrose ever since his book the The Emperors New MInd in the 90s.  Thats when I first read Lee Smolins books also.

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    Ok.

    So I thought I had a basic grasp of what you were attempting to say and It seemed to correspond with my ideas.

    Maybe I was wrong.

    Though I won't give up.

    GOD principle other than word association, has nothing whatsoever to do with popular theism/deism.

    In simple terms, GOD principle assumes certain universal properties,  requirements and an ultimate achievement.

    Ok. So fair enough, multiverse has an established meaning, though it should have been clear that I subscribe to the notion of a sequence of uni-verses, based upon the finite possibilities of a single universe and the potential of the GOD principle/absolute truth.

    So, Pi + all universal properties (physical laws) and the consequent  evolution of matter to a perfect and ultimate state = GOD principle = re-initiation and continuation of the sequence.




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    .."In simple terms, GOD principle assumes certain universal properties,  requirements and an ultimate achievement."..

    I dont know of any "universal properties" ie apply to every occupied Space entity phenomena of our finite, occupied space Universe, other than perhaps, they each have and inside and outside, a spin, and they all are an cocupied Space.  Universe has no purpose. /achivement.  Only humans apply purpose/achievement.

    Ok. So fair enough, multiverse has an established meaning, though it should have been clear that I subscribe to the notion of a sequence of uni-verses, based upon the finite possibilities of a single universe and the potential of the GOD principle/absolute truth.
    All local universes are connected by Gravity and sum-total as the one Universe aka Uni-V-erse. Seems simple to me.

    So, Pi + all universal properties (physical laws) and the consequent  evolution of matter to a perfect and ultimate state = GOD principle = re-initiation and continuation of the sequence.

    You left all of the other mathematical constants e phi.  And there exist many more of a finite set, that complement a finite, occupied Space Universe.

    YOur God principle is to vague and rambling for me.


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    I don't know of any universal properties.
    You seemed to be suggesting that Pi and physical laws were thus.


    All local universes.
    You seem to be contradicting yourself with this statement.


    Your GOD principle is too vague and rambling for me.
    Well in all honesty, no one else on DebateArt attempts to understand your output because of it's vagueness and rambling nature, whereas I at least try.

    A GOD principle is a simple proposition, that attempts to combine or reconcile the naivety of religious hypotheses with the fundamental complexities of a universe.

    Further to this I simply suggest a sequence of universes enabled by the GOD principle. That is to say, an infinite sequence of finite universes, rather than one finite or infinite universe.



















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    You seemed to be suggesting that Pi and physical laws were thus.
    IVe never stated Pi or laws have properties.  Where to do get these false ideas. Show me the quote that states such or infers it. 

    Only occuppied Space has properties.

    You seem to be contradicting yourself with this statement.
    Again, yu need to show me the two or more comments that are contradictory.  You havent done that.

    Well in all honesty, no one else on DebateArt attempts to understand your output because of it's vagueness and rambling nature, whereas I at least try.
    Yeah and that is one or more egos speaking not who are not interested clearly laid out, and rather simple, rational, logical common sense.  If you  think most here are some kind of angels that dont allow their ego to get in the way of truth, your way to naive.

    A GOD principle is a simple proposition, that attempts to combine or reconcile the naivety of religious hypotheses with the fundamental complexities of a universe.
    Your God priniciple is rambling and vague at best. 

    Further to this I simply suggest a sequence of universes enabled by the GOD principle. That is to say, an infinite sequence of finite universes, rather than one finite or infinite universe.
    IVe been over this with you and others for years now. There is no infinite except as a concept ex concept of infinite this, that or another, and the macro-infinite non-occupied Space that embraces/surrounds our eternally existent, finite, occupied Space Unvierse.

    If your commemt mean something other than what I just stated, then, your incorrect.

    integrity = finite, whether structural or systemic

    infinite = lack of integrity




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    As ever.
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    .........................................................Space(>*<) i (>*<)Space..........................................................
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    ........1.................................5p..............7p..........................^...............Outer...Circumference....
    0....................................................6....................................|......................3.14 ratio...................
    ........................3p..................................................9.......Diameter..............................................
    ...............2p.................4...............................8......................v...............Inner Circumference......
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    0.................................6...........................S..................................E....................................................
    .....1....................5p..........7p......................I...........................V........................................................
    .........2p.........4.........................8.....................N.................A.............................................................
    ...............3p....................................9.....................E......W...................................................................
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