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  • janesix
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    Is it subjective or objective? 

    Is God our moral authority? 
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    Is God our moral authority?

    A moral authority should actually exist, first.
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    Do you think morality is subjective?
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    I think morality is subjective overall, but it's objective when specific to an event or action that has been committed.
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    I am not sure what you mean.

    Do you think there are some things that are just plain "wrong" in all circumstances? 
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    That's a difficult one overall, but I would suspect anything to do with harming others is a good start.
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    Subjective. No.
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    --> @janesix

    Is God our moral authority? 
    If you believe in bible god and you believe that infanticide and genocide are morally righteous the you can have him as your moral authority just as mass murderers and child rapists do.
    It's not for me because I'm a human.
  • janesix
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    I don't.
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    Then why talk about a god who doesn't claim to be the basis of morality? Or do you have a god that makes such a claim.
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    --> @disgusted
    My God hasn't made any claim. From my experience, he SEEMS to be our moral authority. I suspect He is.
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    --> @janesix
    What would make some god(s) a moral authority?
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    Whatever pops into her head.
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    You are not qualified to answer for janesix
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    You need to understand that all of this crap exists only in your head, good luck with that.
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    I'm qualified to answer for anyone who demonstrates their delusions.
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    --> @secularmerlin
    Having the wisdom to know right from wrong
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    --> @disgusted
    Without a better definition of delusion I do not know if I can agree with your assessment and I still don't agree that it make you qualified to speak on her behalf even if you are right.

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    What standard are we basing right and wrong upon?
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    That's a difficult one overall, but I would suspect anything to do with harming others is a good start.
    I think Goldtop is on to something

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    Does god cause harm or allow harm through willful inaction?
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    I have no idea.
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    Then we cannot say if god is moral by that standard. If we cannot say that god is moral we cannot say that god is a moral authority.
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    Morality comes from loving The Truth.

    If you love The Truth, you will come to realize that you are wrong, even when you were sincerely believing to be right.

    Having this real humility that comes from a realization of one's own faultiness, we forgive others for their faults, for if we condemn them, we really condemn ourselves for being no better.

    Morality comes from love of The Truth. Truth is the standard.
    That is why Jesus says that loving your neighbor as yourself is a commandment like unto loving God with all your heart, soul, and mind.

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    --> @janesix
    What does it mean for someone outside ourselves to be a moral authority?  If someone else tells you what is and is not moral, then are you practicing morality or simply following directions?