We live in a third world Banana Republic (US)

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  • sadolite
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    Congress voted today on the constitutionality of its own actions. Bwhahahahahahahahahaha

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    You do know impeachment is a *political* process right?
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    LOL, this is great. Guess there is now just one "co-equal branch" with a united Political party composed of the GOP and Dems Congresspeople in agreement on where all the power is. Welcome to Post Trump world.

    Better update those civics books.
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    So congress did exactly what the constitution says they are supposed to do and that means the US is a banana republic? But when the president of the united states tried to use every dirty trick he could think of to overturn the results of an election (including an armed assault on the capitol), that wasn't banana republic shit? 

    Republicans are weird. 
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    You do know it is the judicial branch of govt that determines the constitutionality of any law or act of congress. Congress can write any dumb ass law , vote to impeach the president, or declare what ever they want. But what they can not  do is say or vote that  its laws or actions are constitutional.  The constitution and the judicial branch of govt would be meaningless and serve no purpose if they could. The rule of law would be meaningless. The law would be what ever they say it is. Constitutionality is for the judicial branch of govt to determine. Also, the "LAW" says the the Chief Justice shall preside over the impeachment of any President. Not some jack ass yahoo they pull out of their ass. 
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     Also, the "LAW" says the the Chief Justice shall preside over the impeachment of any President. Not some jack ass yahoo they pull out of their ass. 
    if a chief justice had the power to prevent an impeachment just by refusing to preside over it, then congress no longer has the power to impeach a president. Only the supreme court has that power. That is obviously not the intention of impeachment. It's explicit purpose is to give congress the power to remove a president who has committed impeachable offenses. So it makes no sense that the chief justice could simply veto the process. 

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    libcenter flippin’ based

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    You are assuming the rule of law still exists.

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    --> @sadolite
    You do know it is the judicial branch of govt that determines the constitutionality of any law or act of congress.
    “The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments” - article 1, section 3, clause 6
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    You are assuming the rule of law still exists.
    well, despite trumps efforts to steal an election using lies and violence, the process worked as intended. So yeah, we do still have the rule of law despite trump's best efforts. 
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    well, despite trumps efforts to steal an election using lies and violence, the process worked as intended.

    So you are happy with the rule of law saying the FBI won't be able to jail Citizen Trump? Is that your idea of the law working as intended?
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    You are assuming the rule of law still exists.
    45 Senators have already gone on record saying they believe having a Senate trial over a private citizen is unconstitutional. What might actually be unconstitutional is the Senate exonerating a private citizen by throwing the charges out since there is no way 2/3 will convict citizen Trump, constitutional or not.
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    So you are happy with the rule of law saying the FBI won't be able to jail Citizen Trump? Is that your idea of the law working as intended?
    i have no idea what you are talking about. trump is likely to be under multiple criminal investigations now that he is no longer president. An investigation has already started in Georgia for election fraud. He is an unnamed conspirator in the charges against Michael Cohen, so those could definitely be brought back up now. 

    So why would the FBI be unable to jail him?
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    So why would the FBI be unable to jail him?

    Because they don't have enough evidence yet. Keep dreaming though. Stupid due process bullshit or something.

    Remember this gem?


    It's been 4 years, is this your idea of the law working as intended? That Trump gets another 4 years to walk around freely? 
    I mean I guess if you like endless investigations, but when the FBI has actual evidence, they can and have jailed everyone around Trump.

    That's your idea of the law working as intended? Have you seen Trump smiling lately? I have.
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    You do know impeachment is a *political* process right?
    a process that was never intended to be on partisan lines like how the founding fathers saw?

    a process that wouldn't be built on hatred for a president and a legally flawed impeachment case?
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    So congress did exactly what the constitution says they are supposed to do and that means the US is a banana republic? 
    Wrong, congress is not supposed to impeach a president on false premises
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    Wrong, congress is not supposed to impeach a president on false premises
    what false premise? Trump's supporters marched directly from his speech into a violent assault of the capitol for the express purpose of overturning the results of an election. No hostile force has entered the capitol in centuries, but trump's cultists did it because he told them they needed to use force to protect him. 

    I can't think of anything worse a president could do than to attempt to illegally and violently overturn his own election defeat and steal an election. Trump deserves to be impeached for that. 
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    nope, he never incited any insurrection
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    nope, he never incited any insurrection
    do you agree that the attack on the capitol was an insurrection? Keep in mind the stated goal of the people in the crowd was to force congress not to certify the results of a democratic election and they used violence to attempt to stop congress from doing it's constitutional duty. 

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    a process that was never intended to be on partisan lines like how the founding fathers saw?

    a process that wouldn't be built on hatred for a president and a legally flawed impeachment case?
    As in a process that doesn’t follow the same rules and standards of a criminal trial, and for good reason... we’re not talking about the same type of punishment.

    And spare me your Fox News talking points. You don’t have to hate Trump to see plainly and clearly that he is responsible for what happened on Jan 6th. And also to know that no other president in the history of this country has ever been held to such a low standard on any category by which we would judge an elected official.
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    What the senate says or thinks is or isn't constitutional is irrelevant meaningless. The supreme court decides that. Chief Justice Roberts already weighed in on this, as he is the one to preside over the impeachment of a President. He wants nothing to do with the clown show. That pretty much says it all. Congress is acting in a rogue manner making up shit as they go. For instance: Thinking they now haver the power to vote on what is and isn't constitutional. Banana Republic.
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    that's not true at all. the "process" is a sham, it is just used as an attempt for hateful sick people in congress to attack a President AFTER he already served

    if donald trump was treated normally, he would be in the office again
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    Now that Trump has been  acquitted from that farcical clown show of a rogue Congress,  The same Congress will will now peruse a  vote on article 3 of the 14th amendment to try and over turn the acquittal of the clown show they just had. What say you all?
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    Now that Trump has been  acquitted from that farcical clown show of a rogue Congress,  The same Congress will will now peruse a  vote on article 3 of the 14th amendment to try and over turn the acquittal of the clown show they just had. What say you all?
    Democrats just want to delay the 1400 dollar checks
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