Obama was among the best presidents in US history

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    Everyone talks shit about how mediocre he was but he had to pick up from Bush's shit era.
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    nope, it's easy to get caught in his "pleasing" rhetoric, especially if you aren't from the US, but he was a disaster, a complete disaster
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    Such as?
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    I agree that his charisma is off the charts. 
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    I have a debate argument on this but simply Obama contributed to the decline of America in many ways- he promoted the welfare state and did nothing to combat the declining American Dream. The economic numbers aren't enough. The quality of life, debt, and general well-being of America declined. He brought us into more of the middle east and his foreign policy was atrocious,  Obamacare-also bad, he simply didn't do anything to combat real issues and when he did-it was a failure
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    I think Obama was a mediocre president at best. He talked a big game, but when it came time to actually do what he said he would, he refused to do it. He had the opportunity to get real progress made. But he made the mistake of thinking that the republican's actually wanted to improve things and might behave like rational adults. He tried to negotiate with people whose only goals were protecting the rich and sabotaging virtually anything and everything he tried to do. 

    to make it worse, he has openly blamed progressives for his failures. He saw his electoral defeat in the midterms of his 1st term as progressives betraying him. He is incapable of understanding that the reason he did so badly was because he had betrayed progressives so they didn't turn out to vote for the people who were letting them down. But in his mind, it's their fault for not being super happy with his right wing policy. 

    If obama had actually tried to do progressive policy instead of half measures designed to appeal to republicans, he might have been a great president. But as it is, he is a mediocre one.
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    So he should lose the larger number of voters to appease the far left ones?
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    Everything you just said in that post is factually incorrect.
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    ok prove it
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    I have a debate argument on this but simply Obama contributed to the decline of America in many ways
    Not true, lie 1.

    he promoted the welfare state and did nothing to combat the declining American Dream.
    The American Dream is a sociopathic notion that the highest satisfaction in life comes from succeeding at any cost, ruthlessly outcompeting others and showing the losers no mercy. Rich car, rich house, elite friendship circle. That is what Obama tried to both prove wrong as an endgame-goal and enable, at the same time, impoverished people or otherwise held back minorities, so as to allow them a fair shot at the American Dream too.

     The quality of life, debt, and general well-being of America declined.
    Lies. Actually Iran owes debt to US as well as a couple other nations, thanks to Obama. If it wasn't for Obama, Iran would probably have had a war with US over what Trump did by continually shitting on their religion and sanctioning an illegal assassination of a war general of theirs while he was on Iraqi soil. It was Obama's previous mending of fences that let them homd onto hope Trump would be out of office soon and is probably the only reason peace was what ended up happening. Quality of life (average) was higher while the highest earning citizens had slightly lower (if you can even call it that).
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    So he should lose the larger number of voters to appease the far left ones?
    this seems to be a silly question. Because failing to do what he said he would cost him control of congress. If he really was appealing to the larger number of voters by fighting for right wing policy, he wouldn't have lost the midterms.

    He betrayed the people who believed in him and that had electoral consequences. It isn't progressives' fault that Obama failed them. If obama wanted their support he should have done things to appeal to them. He didn't. He picked a right wing plan and then dithered as he tried to get republicans to help him pass his right wing plan. 

    It is a weak politician who blames voters for their failures.

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    Lol, Obama pushed Obamacare which flipped the Senate majority 2 years into his reign which allowed 3 Scotus picks to his enemies.

    With good presidents like Obama, I would hate to see a bad one.

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    Lol, Obama pushed Obamacare which flipped the Senate majority 2 years into his reign which allowed 3 Scotus picks to his enemies.
    this is exactly my point. He picked a shitty right wing plan, people hated it, then lost control of the senate. He has only himself to blame. He should have picked an actual good plan and rammed it down the republicans throats, not dick around for 2 years trying to get them to agree to their own shitty plan. 

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    After approving the bill, the House adopted a package of changes to it by a vote of 220 to 211. That package — agreed to in negotiations among House and Senate Democrats and the White House — now goes to the Senate for action as soon as this week. It would be the final step in a bitter legislative fight that has highlighted the nation’s deep partisan and ideological divisions.

    On a sun-splashed day outside the Capitol, protesters, urged on by House Republicans, chanted “Kill the bill” and waved yellow flags declaring “Don’t Tread on Me.” They carried signs saying “Doctors, Not Dictators.”

    The House Republican leader, Representative John A. Boehner of Ohio, said lawmakers were defying the wishes of their constituents. “The American people are angry,” Mr. Boehner said. “This body moves forward against their will. Shame on us.”


    How does this encourage him to not push more to the right unless he wanted to inspire deep hatred towards him?
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    Why do people think that Barack Obama deserves credit for the Affordable Care Act?

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    Irrelevant coming from a Brit lmfao
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    Is that a question to me?
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    The American Dream is a sociopathic notion that the highest satisfaction in life comes from succeeding at any cost, ruthlessly outcompeting others and showing the losers no mercy. Rich car, rich house, elite friendship circle. That is what Obama tried to both prove wrong as an endgame-goal and enable, at the same time, impoverished people or otherwise held back minorities, so as to allow them a fair shot at the American Dream too.
    How? the American Dream was never founded on selfishly destroying people, the basic idea of it was that it gave everybody who was willing to work and contribute to society a good community, family, neighborhood, stable living, and wages. The heavy majority of Americans didn't have a rich car, rich house, nor elite friendship circle- these were ordinary people who lived in a time of America where stable living could be achieved easily. Now with jobs overseas, a culture lacking morality or religion, and stagnant wages lead to the decline of the dream and when trump came around, it was dead. Obama continued the decline

    Lies. Actually Iran owes debt to US as well as a couple other nations, thanks to Obama. If it wasn't for Obama, Iran would probably have had a war with US over what Trump did by continually shitting on their religion and sanctioning an illegal assassination of a war general of theirs while he was on Iraqi soil. It was Obama's previous mending of fences that let them homd onto hope Trump would be out of office soon and is probably the only reason peace was what ended up happening. Quality of life (average) was higher while the highest earning citizens had slightly lower (if you can even call it that).
    There would never be any war with Iran, despite all the tensions, there is pretty much no way that a war could have broken out. Iran and Obama never got along too well either and he fumbled the whole middle east situation pretty badly. 
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    The American Dream is a sociopathic notion that the highest satisfaction in life comes from succeeding at any cost, ruthlessly outcompeting others and showing the losers no mercy. Rich car, rich house, elite friendship circle. That is what Obama tried to both prove wrong as an endgame-goal and enable, at the same time, impoverished people or otherwise held back minorities, so as to allow them a fair shot at the American Dream too.

    The American Dream was that you had the freedom to contribute to society in any way you chose without the government stopping you. That you could own and manage your private property without government interference.

    That DREAM officially ended during the FDR era after the SCOTUS Wicker v Filburn case when the court granted Government the power to not only confiscate private property but also manage your private property. The icing on the cake was affirmative action where the government decided if you were born with certain DNA, then you would have to take a backseat to someone who had the proper DNA, thus ending the equality of opportunity where you were able to choose how to contribute to America.

    A reversion back to feudal times where the government is the overlord and the classes are stratified by DNA.
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    If we take your interpretation of the American Dream, then Obama made it attainable to far more than it ever was before, especially poor non-caucasians and females as well as pushing hard against any barriers to LGBTQ getting as many opportunities.
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    Just let the poor die. It’s what the GoP does:

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    Just let the poor die. It’s what the GoP does:
    Both parties don't give a crap about the poor. Especially the ones that don't lobby.

    It's so funny posting a stat where .0041666666% of the population "saved" is supposed to be something that proves without dissent that you care about the poor.
    All the poor.

    It's like saying you're working in an office building with a person that knows an Asian, so you care about minorities LOL!
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    You know what else is funny?

    Being worse in every single stat other than GDP and saying your party gives a damn about the common man/woman/human

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    Being worse in every single stat other than GDP and saying your party gives a damn about the common man/woman/human
    Oh, you mean like New York and California run by criminal leftists for over 50 years unopposed?

    On that, we can agree.

    Highest 2 states in GDP to homeless ratios in the Nation.
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    How does this encourage him to not push more to the right unless he wanted to inspire deep hatred towards him?
    Your question doesn't make sense. There is literally nothing he could have done that would make republicans happy. He was going to be hated no matter what. He picked a right wing plan that comes right out of a right wing think tank. Did the right cheer on his bi-partisanship? Hell no. They screamed about "death panels" and every other nonsense they could think of. 

    Going right is a completely useless exercise for a democrat. If you aren't willing to go full blown right wing crazy, then you have nothing to gain by doing so. Obama is a perfect example of that. He went right and democrats got absolutely killed across the entire country over his tenure. 

    So to answer your question, going right will do nothing to prevent you being hated, and simultaneously makes you hated (or at least disliked) by the rest of the country you are betraying by going right. Going left will make you loved as you help millions of people. You'll still be hated by the right, but that is a given for any democrat at this stage.